[alvaro10able]

Vile V.S Dynamo V.S Red (X7) Who has caused more trouble to the maverick Hunters??

[Mac]

Hmm...this simple post is actually a decent question. All three of them have been quite a burden. I'd have to say Red was moderate...he didn't cause too much trouble aside from the events of X7. Vile has been a major thorn in the Hunter's side for quite some time now. He's been responsible for many fatal/dangerous encounters. Now, Dynamo had a hand in the world changing Eurasia incident. Though his time in the spotlight was rather brief, he gone and done a bad bad thang...

[Turian]

Dynamo caused the earth changing catastrophe. But vile caused more hands on destruction. Plus, Vile looks more bad ass.

[RaviorStygian]

I think Vile is.

But Dynamo is more dangerous. Of course it's weird. He did such a horrible thing then got off the hook scot-free for the most part.

[Revolver]

I can't decide between Vile and Dynamo. Both have some sort of mentality to cause as much destruction as possible due to their backstories. Dynamo is a mercenary, while Vile is just out for revenge. Decisions, decisions...But I'll go with Vile, since he's been around for the destruction longer than Dynamo and Red.

[CX111]

I gotta go with Dynamo on both. He was in a high position of power due to Sigma hiring him, and he's more badass to me because I like his design/battle better. Vile is always (I believe) faced in Ride Armor... gets boring quick. Plus, he seems more like a demented/destructive jerk with little to no reason for being so (I know he had some major malfunctions that couldn't be fixed, but still.) Dynamo, in my opinion, had much more feeling to his character. He was smarter too, choosing to retreat when he realized he was screwed.

I really wish they had delved into Dynamo's story more.

[RaviorStygian]

Dynamo also has dat music.

[CX111]

RaviorStygian, on 23 June 2012 - 02:18 AM, said:

Dynamo also has dat music.

Yerp.

[Terminus]

Vile. The only other recurring enemy character.

[Phi-Zero]

I really wish they would explain Vile's background further. All we know is that according to Zero, Vile was "designed to be a war machine." Additionally, we know that he has a permanent problem with his electron-brain, most likely with his Suffering Circuit (yes, i'm assuming Suffering Circuits are canon ;D ). He is called "VAVA V" in X8 and he has a "V" on his helmet in MHX, but i wonder if the "V" isn't a reference to his name or the number of times he's been resurrected but is rather a serial number
('V' is the Latin numeral for 5). Of course, Sigma may have reproduced many copies of Vile, but it is also possible that Vava was originally part of a series of mass-produced Reploids, and that he is merely the fifth VAVA. VAVA may be some kind of acronym.

The story i came up with in my mind about how Vava came to be is that he was produced as a military Reploid: a robot intended to make difficult ethical decisions on the battlefield. However, VAVA V was damaged in some kind of accident, and this caused irreparable damage to his Suffering Circuit. Vava was going to be retired, but Sigma vouched for him believing that he could be rehabilitated. Thus, Vava joined the Maverick Hunters under Sigma's command due to his mercy. In terms of localization, Vava would have taken up the name "Vile" some time after becoming a Hunter, probably given to him by the other Hunters in light of his "vile" behavior.

This would explain Vile's primary motivation. Unlike X, he was not created to be unique. He is just a copy, and a defective copy at that. Therefore, Vile desperately wants to prove that he is special and hates X because he is special in a way Vile cannot be. Vile also admires Sigma for saving him, but hates him as well because he's not sure he should have been saved. Vile clearly has a death-wish: perhaps this is because if he can't be special he doesn't to want to live. Ultimately, Vile's desire for a unique identity comes out in a very unhealthy way, but in the alternate ending of MHX Vile finally feels satisfied knowing that he alone was able to defeat X.

If Sigma would just let Vile die, he could finally find peace. But Sigma just keeps bringing him back. Poor Vile....

[Flame]

Phi-Zero, on 23 June 2012 - 02:25 PM, said:

most likely with his Suffering Circuit (yes, i'm assuming Suffering Circuits are canon ;D ).

They are not. The ONE AND ONLY instance of their mention is in conceptual story material for the Zero Series. That's like me saying I think Zero's concept designs are canon. Inti themselves admit it may not be canon due to being early conceptual info not used later, and never referenced again in subsequent story material. You are putting WAY too much stock in that one particular piece of information.

Vile has a flaw in his Electronic brain which makes him revel in violence and destruction, which always resulted in massive collateral damage whenever he was on a mission. Basically, he enjoyed his job so damn much that he ended up being way too similar to what he hunted. he also is insubordinate and doesnt like following orders seemingly.

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He is called "VAVA V" in X8 and he has a "V" on his helmet in MHX, but i wonder if the "V" isn't a reference to his name or the number of times he's been resurrected but is rather a serial number
('V' is the Latin numeral for 5). Of course, Sigma may have reproduced many copies of Vile, but it is also possible that Vava was originally part of a series of mass-produced Reploids, and that he is merely the fifth VAVA. VAVA may be some kind of acronym.

His X8 art calls him "VAVA PENTE"

Vile in X8 is literally Vile Mk.5. Theres 3 Vile revivals that are unaccounted for. 2 if you count Xtreme1 as a revival.

Only MHX added the V to his helmet, in order to separate him from the original 'right hand man' idea, and make him ore of a radical free agent working for his own goals, some of which just happen to cross his path with Sigma. (mainly the defeat of X). In MMX he had Sigma's crest on his head. Also, i dunno, i think a reploid like Vile looks too unique to be a mass produced reploid. MHX sets a specific standard as to what those rank and file massproduced Hunters look like. Vile seems more a unique military weapon on legs. That shoulder cannon just lookms to unique a weapon concept to be massproduced.

keep in mind that the Hunters seem to make their own reploids. Im not *quite* sure if the Hunters under normal circumstances actually recruit civillian Reploids into their ranks. Capcom's never really explained it. Hunters can definitely become Civilian reploids, as evidenced by Hunters that have retired from their Job and become scientists, like Volt Kraken/Aquid Adler for instance. I believe X and Zero might have been unique cases, since both were designed and built as combat robots, and are therefore (in Zero's case specifically- he is a walking weapon even without his built in abilities) best kept in the Hunter's watch.

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This would explain Vile's primary motivation. Unlike X, he was not created to be unique. He is just a copy, and a defective copy at that. Therefore, Vile desperately wants to prove that he is special and hates X because he is special in a way Vile cannot be.

Vile hates X because everyone is so obsessed with him. Everyone sees X as something ridiculously special, Sigma even based his rebellion around X, and Vile just doesnt get it. he just saw a weak B rank without guts. And then X went and killed him, driving him full over the edge, obsessing Vile with defeating him. And he vowed to come back againa nd again until he does so.

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Vile also admires Sigma for saving him, but hates him as well because he's not sure he should have been saved.

Vile considers Sigma Insane and just doesnt care about him. he certainly doesnt respect him. being saved? dunno, we cant really say what was in his mind while imprisoned. He likely would have been let out eventually, and his vicious cycle of collateral exessive destruction and reprimand would have continued until he was just kicked out of the Hunters altogether. Sigma saved him however, and decided that He himself was going to be the one to change the world. Not X, not Sigma.

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Vile finally feels satisfied knowing that he alone was able to defeat X.

he feels like that because everyone considers X this legends, this special reploid, this "hope for the world" one who will "change the world" and he's sick of it. By defeating X, he has validated his existence as far as proving he was able to defeat the special X.

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If Sigma would just let Vile die, he could finally find peace. But Sigma just keeps bringing him back. Poor Vile....

Sigma doesnt always have to do with it. Doppler brought him back in X3. in Xtreme it was a result of his data being in the computer hacked by Techno. and X8... is X8. dunno there.

and it was Vile himself- mind you- who vowed he would haunt X forever.

[mechasonicx]

The more bad is Vile, and he is my favorite villain of the game!

[TheDoctor]

Vile, hands down. He's got the better design, and he doesn't act like he's too cool for his own good (unlike Dynamo).

Red's only been in X7, and he didn't seem horribly badass there.

[killtoy666]

I like Dynamo for his layed back and cool style, but i would have to go with Vile for the more evil aditude. Vile FTW!

[Phi-Zero]

Flame, on 23 June 2012 - 05:01 PM, said:

They are not. The ONE AND ONLY instance of their mention is in conceptual story material for the Zero Series. That's like me saying I think Zero's concept designs are canon. Inti themselves admit it may not be canon due to being early conceptual info not used later, and never referenced again in subsequent story material. You are putting WAY too much stock in that one particular piece of information.

I realize that Suffering Circuits aren't canon, or at least not that we know of. The idea of Suffering Circuits just makes sense to me and i like the idea so i incorporated it.
I wasn't trying to state Vile's factual history or talk about things in strictly canon terms (hence the wink ";D")
I was just relating the backstory i gave him in my head to start a discussion of what would make a good backstory for him.
I liked the story i came up with and wanted to share it, that's all.

Flame, on 23 June 2012 - 05:01 PM, said:

Vile has a flaw in his Electronic brain which makes him revel in violence and destruction, which always resulted in massive collateral damage whenever he was on a mission. Basically, he enjoyed his job so damn much that he ended up being way too similar to what he hunted. he also is insubordinate and doesnt like following orders seemingly.

I know about that bit of canon. I did refer to that, although i attributed this flaw to possibly being due to a faulty or damaged Suffering Circuit, which again i realize isn't referred to outside of Rockman Zero Official Complete Works.

Flame, on 23 June 2012 - 05:01 PM, said:

His X8 art calls him "VAVA PENTE"

Vile in X8 is literally Vile Mk.5. Theres 3 Vile revivals that are unaccounted for. 2 if you count Xtreme1 as a revival.

Only MHX added the V to his helmet, in order to separate him from the original 'right hand man' idea, and make him ore of a radical free agent working for his own goals, some of which just happen to cross his path with Sigma. (mainly the defeat of X). In MMX he had Sigma's crest on his head. Also, i dunno, i think a reploid like Vile looks too unique to be a mass produced reploid. MHX sets a specific standard as to what those rank and file massproduced Hunters look like. Vile seems more a unique military weapon on legs. That shoulder cannon just lookms to unique a weapon concept to be massproduced.

keep in mind that the Hunters seem to make their own reploids. Im not *quite* sure if the Hunters under normal circumstances actually recruit civillian Reploids into their ranks. Capcom's never really explained it. Hunters can definitely become Civilian reploids, as evidenced by Hunters that have retired from their Job and become scientists, like Volt Kraken/Aquid Adler for instance. I believe X and Zero might have been unique cases, since both were designed and built as combat robots, and are therefore (in Zero's case specifically- he is a walking weapon even without his built in abilities) best kept in the Hunter's watch.

I just like the idea of Vile being a massed-produced being. Vile does seem to strive greatly to prove that he is special, and it could easily be explained if he wasn't built to be unique. I figured the flaw present in his electron-brain might have been the result of an accident, something that would be possible if he worked in the military. Also, my backstory involved him being part of a line of experimental weapons-grade Reploids built by the military, not the Hunters, also explaining why he's so heavily armed even when compared to the other Hunters. Perhaps it was thought that Reploids, being capable of more human-like moral reasoning, would make better decisions on the battlefield than robots with pre-programmed moral reasoning such as Robot Masters. After all, many new technologies are often first implemented by the military. Of course, who knows if war between nations is still a common part of X's world. This is just a thought, nothing more or less.

Flame, on 23 June 2012 - 05:01 PM, said:

Vile hates X because everyone is so obsessed with him. Everyone sees X as something ridiculously special, Sigma even based his rebellion around X, and Vile just doesnt get it. he just saw a weak B rank without guts. And then X went and killed him, driving him full over the edge, obsessing Vile with defeating him. And he vowed to come back againa nd again until he does so.

I agree that this is the obvious explanation. But considering Vile's dialogue in MHX to the Mavericks and also his dialogue during his own death scene,
he also seems to want to prove that he himself is special.

Flame, on 23 June 2012 - 05:01 PM, said:

Vile considers Sigma Insane and just doesnt care about him. he certainly doesnt respect him. being saved? dunno, we cant really say what was in his mind while imprisoned. He likely would have been let out eventually, and his vicious cycle of collateral exessive destruction and reprimand would have continued until he was just kicked out of the Hunters altogether. Sigma saved him however, and decided that He himself was going to be the one to change the world. Not X, not Sigma.

We don't really disagree. Vile could just as easily not respect Sigma just because he doesn't respect anybody, even if it was Sigma's mercy that he not be terminated either after Vile's flaw was initially discovered or after everything Vile's done since then. Also i was referring to Vile possibly admiring Sigma before Sigma went Maverick. After that at least, Vile clearly resented Sigma's obsession with X, although Sigma's obsession with X may have been obvious to Vile before as well.

Flame, on 23 June 2012 - 05:01 PM, said:

he feels like that because everyone considers X this legends, this special reploid, this "hope for the world" one who will "change the world" and he's sick of it. By defeating X, he has validated his existence as far as proving he was able to defeat the special X.

I still don't get why he feels like he needs to "validate his existence" though. Something else has to be motivating him if he feels like his own existence needs to be validated. Capcom could simply leave this up to players' imaginations, but it would be nice if we got to see the whole story of how Vile got to be the way he is.

Flame, on 23 June 2012 - 05:01 PM, said:

Sigma doesnt always have to do with it. Doppler brought him back in X3. in Xtreme it was a result of his data being in the computer hacked by Techno. and X8... is X8. dunno there.

and it was Vile himself- mind you- who vowed he would haunt X forever.

You're right that Doppler brought Vile back in X3, but Vile's ending in MHX hints that it may have been Sigma who initially retrieved Vile's body.


Sorry for making this post so long.

Like you i find it easier just to break up what the last person wrote into chunks and to respond to each chunk individually.


As far as the question about which is better, Dynamo or Vile, i think it depends upon the criteria. Dynamo is certainly more "cool" and "chill," so he wins out in that regard, but i consider Vile to be more "hardcore" and "badass" if that makes any sense. It's not so much what each one did or didn't do as much as how each of them went about doing what they did. Dynamo is more level-headed and collected whereas Vile runs into any given situation guns blazing.
Dynamo took down the Eurasia Colony for reasons that were strictly business, but Vile pursued X with an incredible amount of hatred and zealotry.

[Flame]

Dynamo is just so hilariously awesome. I love how Sensei designed him based around "the American Cavalry", giving him a saber and a gun. (notice how his Buster looks like a revolver) And his helmet vaguely resembles a cowboy hat. and he has a navy blue and gold uniform style armor.

[MegaManxxxx4]

dynamo is the biggest troll.

[Zan]

Heh, didn't see this discussion before. Let's hope Flame and Phi-Zero both read it...

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Additionally, we know that he has a permanent problem with his electron-brain, most likely with his Suffering Circuit

VAVA's fault lies in the "thought circuit", a different part of the electronic brain. The ability of independent thought and reasoning is separate from one's conscience. Both humaroids and Repliroids are confirmed to have thought circuits. Rockman is said to have a conscience circuit (of justice) which X's suffering circuit replaces.

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They are not. The ONE AND ONLY instance of their mention is in conceptual story material for the Zero Series. That's like me saying I think Zero's concept designs are canon. Inti themselves admit it may not be canon due to being early conceptual info not used later, and never referenced again in subsequent story material. You are putting WAY too much stock in that one particular piece of information.

I responded to this very matter in another thread, which I'm wondering if you had read at the time. If you hadn't, you might want to take a look at the whole thing:

http://megamanx9.com...post__p__117063

The basic gist is: even if the term "Suffering Circuit" is absent from canonical sources, the concept has been around since the beginning, and clearly put in effect.

What concerns me more is people's misuse of the term for all sorts of nonsensical ideas.

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In MMX he had Sigma's crest on his head.

I'd like to add that even the enigmatic Sagesse has Sigma's crest. And VAVA Mk2. carries Doppler's. It doesn't mean a whole lot beyond Sigma getting him out of jail and Doppler reviving him.

Exchanging the crest for a V didn't make a whole lot of difference in the grand scheme of things; he's still the same VAVA. The bigger retcon here is the time he spent in jail if you ask me.

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Also, i dunno, i think a reploid like Vile looks too unique to be a mass produced reploid.

Too unique? You can somewhat compare him to a Sniper Joe on crack. Likewise, his Star Wars lookalike has been cloned by the thousands.

[FRANK TORPEDO]

Well in X1 Vile led Sigma's forces and caused the death of Zero, in X3 he didn't really do much other than try to blow up a factory while X was still inside it, and in X8 he kidnapped Lumine of the Jakob Project. He was pretty bad, but not too bad.

In X5 Dynamo was hired by Sigma to crash the Eurasia Colony into the Earth and pretty much screw everyone over with the virus, and in X6 he came in so that you could farm Nightmare Souls (not really, but that's basically why he was put in).

In X7 Red declared war on the Maverick Hunters for the possession of Axl, sided with Sigma and released countless Mavericks into the world, so that's pretty bad too.

It's actually quite even between the three.

[Mac]

Flame, on 24 June 2012 - 07:29 AM, said:

Dynamo is just so hilariously awesome. I love how Sensei designed him based around "the American Cavalry", giving him a saber and a gun. (notice how his Buster looks like a revolver) And his helmet vaguely resembles a cowboy hat. and he has a navy blue and gold uniform style armor.

I guess it's no coincidence that when I auditioned vocally for him in a potential dub, I gave him a southern, Louisiana/Georgia-flavored accent. ;)