[MegaManX]

Before you fight the Sigma body that Dr. Wily was hinted to build, at least I believe that's what fans of the game assume. Sigma states "I believe you two know eachother, in fact he used to be a comrade of yours" then he implied that this professor hates X. So wait, is he really just reffering to Dr. Cain? Because I dont ever recall Wily being X's "Comrade." Unless Sigma dreamt it.

[Oakie620]

This matter was addressed in another thread:

Zan, on 13 July 2012 - 09:58 AM, said:

Oakie620, on 13 July 2012 - 12:47 AM, said:

X-Calibur, on 13 July 2012 - 12:01 AM, said:

I don't think Wily created that body for Sigma.

Unless the JAP to ENG traslation was messed up, I could swear that Sigma told X (in X5) that the one who built the body was “a partner of X’s.” That CAN’T be Wily.

That is a localization error, although I don't recall the original text. Nevertheless, Sigma did refer to his partner as someone Zero had seen in his dreams (who, as seen in X4, resembled Dr. Wily). Sigma's final body is also referred to as "Final Sigma W" in some Japanese sources.

To back this up:

Sigma: I'm right here, I won't run or hide... The truth is, lately I've had an excellent partner.... who's provided me support in many ways. In the past, it seems [he's] created countless robots... And [he's] bestowed upon me the strongest body ever seen... You've come a little earlier than expected, so it isn't quite complete... but, it should be enough. [He's] been such a devoted partner, nay, a comrade... [He] may oppose you more than anything... like an obsession... devoted indeed... So there was someone besides just me... someone who hates you... Get ready to receive our hatred! Die! X!

Plus Rangda Bangda W and Shadow Devil, this ain't getting more obvious.

[volt-kid]

I hate all of these localization errors. They make the series difficult to know what is true and what is not. I too was confused about that line until I read the above. I'm guessing that the translators didn't realize that Mega Man and Mega Man X are two different characters; which is pretty dumb.

[Mercer]

It really hits home in X6. That game is darn near unreadable with all it's translation errors. You can't tell wtf is going on half the time. And that line confused me too when I first read it.

[Flame]

I dunno, X6 for its bad english I felt at least was still understandable. Zero's return explanation notwithstanding, we have already discussed that to death- It was mainly just bad grammar and stuff like that. Not nearly as bad as that line in X5, or the complete rewrites of X2 or MM7

[RaviorStygian]

Flame, on 04 August 2012 - 07:36 PM, said:

or the complete rewrites of X2 or MM7

I still don't know what the complete rewrites are. I've read both scripts and didn't notice anything too drastic.

[Flame]

Important things getting changed around, like Rock being more than a robot and doing what he shoulda done years ago, or Any connection between Wily and Serges being completely ignored in favor of a news article, things like that, things like prophecies about unifications and all that instead of Serges calling X a memento of Light's . X2 and MM7 are the worst translated MM games of all.

[Turian]

And yet X2 is my favorite script. Weird.

[Mac]

X2's script is just fine, I think. The changes that were made simply aren't enough to worry about. Everything in the original script can be inferred just the same with the localized version. While the series does have it's share of mistranslated moments, it just sucks that they often have to happen at the most important parts. Like this one for example. >_<

It's like...get someone who knows what the hell they're doing. Someone that AT LEAST knows enough to know Wily would never be a friend of X's. Were they high? I mean, c'mon lol.

[RaviorStygian]

Mac, on 07 August 2012 - 05:08 PM, said:

X2's script is just fine, I think. The changes that were made simply aren't enough to worry about. Everything in the original script can be inferred just the same with the localized version.

Exactly. I read both scripts and didn't notice anything that would take away from the inferences.

[Mercer]

I gotta admit that when I first read that "comrade" line back in the day I thought he was talking about Dr. Light. Thinking that bastard betrayed us and that musta been one HUGE capsule. And when he saved you I figured that it was some sort of test for X. Years later the internet set me straight but was I the only one to think that?

[Zan]

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The changes that were made simply aren't enough to worry about.

I disagree.

Changes such as the following drastically alter the core of the story:

Collection is proceeding as scheduled.
I've almost completed the parts.

It cannot be! Now the unification is in jeopardy!
Where were you hiding that power..!

I am Serges and I cannot allow you to stop the unification.
You seem to have a very good style, but how long do you suppose you'll be able to hold on to it as well?!

This is impossible!The prophecy must be fulfilled!
Being defeated by the robotic memento of Right.. such regret...


And most of all:

I am more than a robot!! Die Wily!!
...

[Flame]

That "prophecy" bit ALWAYS irked me.

they also got rid of the X hunter profiles in the manual, which called Serges a "Super Genius" and compared it to "the legendary mad scientist".

X2's localization would have made the Wily connection so much clearer than it was over here. I mean at a side glance it is already obvious enough, but the Japanese game stopped just short of slapping you in the face with it.

To be fair, it should still be able to be inferred from NA X2, with Sigma suddenly having insightful knowledge on Zero when Serges popped up. (who himself should be painfully obvious, despite his butchered dialogue)

[Zan]

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That "prophecy" bit ALWAYS irked me.

Same. It raises the question of who even made this prophecy, and reduces Sagesse to a mindless follower.

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they also got rid of the X hunter profiles in the manual, which called Serges a "Super Genius" and compared it to "the legendary mad scientist".

While they got rid of the main story involving the recovery of Zero's body and control chip, I do believe that profile of Sagesse is actually from other books.

[volt-kid]

Zan, on 07 August 2012 - 06:58 PM, said:

[i]Collection is proceeding as scheduled.
I've almost completed the parts.

I see what you're saying, but this one isn't that off. The Japanese translation is more specific, but the American one delivers a close piece of the same message, just in a more suspenseful way.

As for the other translations, I agree. It explores more into Serges showing us that he has strong knowledge of the past hinting us that he's someone very ancient.

[Zan]

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I see what you're saying, but this one isn't that off. The Japanese translation is more specific, but the American one delivers a close piece of the same message, just in a more suspenseful way.

Since the game story differs from how Iwamoto told it. To speak of "collection" at that point in time is downright false. Sagesse either made new pieces from scratch, or upgraded the ones he had already acquired quite a while back.

[Flame]

One implies he "collected" them from somewhere, (Counter Counter Hunters?) while the other means he outright MADE them, which works better with his character being tied to Wily, and being the ONLY person able to create a new body for Zero where Dr. Cain, father of the modern Reploid race, failed.

[Mac]

Zan, on 07 August 2012 - 06:58 PM, said:

I disagree.

Changes such as the following drastically alter the core of the story:

Collection is proceeding as scheduled.
I've almost completed the parts.

It cannot be! Now the unification is in jeopardy!
Where were you hiding that power..!

I am Serges and I cannot allow you to stop the unification.
You seem to have a very good style, but how long do you suppose you'll be able to hold on to it as well?!

This is impossible!The prophecy must be fulfilled!
Being defeated by the robotic memento of Right.. such regret...


And most of all:

I am more than a robot!! Die Wily!!
...

<-- See avatar and quote underneath it.


Only one that's a far cry is the one line in MM7.

About the collected or completion wording? See instructions above. It doesn't really change the story "drastically" at all. One could infer that he either made them from scratch, which I never once assumed he did, OR, they simply gathered the remains of Zero and Serges repaired him, and since he is Wily, he finally completed his true design intentions as seen at the end of Power Fighters. (and in speculation, switched his designated target from Rock to X)

[Zan]

You say only 7's a far cry and then single out the one line that's of that list that's closest to the original wording to prove your point? The other three lines are nothing like their counterparts... If a comparable meaning cannot be construed, it's a bad translation plain and simple. If the opposite meaning emerges, it's even worse.

Fact of the matter is, the localization of X2 has obscured Serges' role for more than a decade. It takes X6, Iwamoto's manga and a good deal of fan translating of both the game and other obscure sources for us to understand what's going on at all. What I'm seeing happening in X2 is a systematic downplaying of the most important character in the story behind the scenes. It's as bad as their constant insistence that X is to be labelled Mega Man. Neither misconceptions have been wholly eliminated to this day.

[volt-kid]

Well either way, it's not so much a big deal. It hides Serges' true character, but it's still painfully obvious that anyone who can rebuild Zero is Wily. Plus, the X2 story still delivers a complete storyline and adds up to the same future events. Most importantly, we could very well of not have been told too much on purpose. Inafune wouldn't answer a question asking if Serges and Isoc are Wily. With that said, it could be intentional that the American scripts are not to reveal as much as the Japanese ones. That's something worth thinking about.