[Metal X]

megaman model zx, on 10 August 2012 - 06:14 PM, said:

but it would be too easy if axl just a-transed into the boss's weakness-containing boss so thats why?

I'm sorry...

[megaman model zx]

i am saying that if x uses the current boss's weakness, axl would a-trans to that weapon's boss.

[Metal X]

O. Tru..



Yeah, the guys that did Infamous should make a Non-RPG Command Mission type-y game. I can't stress that enough.

[Sali]

Actually I don't even know if I would play a Command Mission fangame. The whole thing abou it being RPG is fine in my opinion - and since I really love RPGs, I can't say it bothered me in any aspect.

And like already has been said, the whole game was created with an RPG in mind, so I also think it wouldn't really work out all that well if you tried to convert the gameplay style into another. For example, how would you implement the Force Metals, leave alone introducing Cinnamon if you decide to scratch FMs? And honestly, I am so not looking forward to ever fighting Ninetails in a 2D shooter. Especially because it would mean I'd have to go up against him 1:1. And without tuning him down a huge bit I don't think this boss fight would be managable.

So no, I don't think I would like a non-RPG version of Command Mission.

[megaman model zx]

well, i would. because i would like to use action triggers while traveling. and axl's a-trans would be so BADASS.
p.s.
i would like the a-trans to be like the omnitrix in Ben 10.

[Sali]

megaman model zx, on 11 August 2012 - 11:47 PM, said:

axl's a-trans would be so BADASS.
p.s.
i would like the a-trans to be like the omnitrix in Ben 10.

In my imagination that would result in overpowered characters throughout the whole game. I mean, running around the stages with Axl, transformed into previous bosses? I wouldn't mind if the transformations were designed to be used like that, let's say like ZX and Advent, but the Command Mission Bosses weren't. Therefore it would even me impractical.
Or imagine the concept with Absolute Zero, who would be able to fly over everything and beat the crap out of every single enemy he encounters? Never mind X in his Ultimate Armor, with all these rockets attached to him that he can fire at will. Anything would be a pushover.
A bit overkill, wouldn't you say?

I agree with you that it would be badass. But as a game mechanic, it would make me feel like I'm controlling overpowered characters, which isn't fun to me.

[Metal X]

You're not wrong Sali.

A lot of RPG elements would have to be taken out, and ultimately make the charm of the Original Command Mission suffer..

But as a guy who really doesn't like RPG's all that much... I can say this much..

Having X, Axl & Zero being able to attack at a moment's notice in real-time would be a major plus for me.

I don't visualize any 2D platforming here. That WOULD make for extremely overpowered characters.

You're probably right that Force Metal's would have to go. I think it'd be kind of neat if they employed the X7 & X8 Teams method, but you could pick a Team of three.. out of the cast of (X, Zero, Axl, Spider, Massimo, Marino & Cinnamon). Um... In the pause menu, it'd be neat if there was a way to switch out that team in like an option section or something, so that you wouldn't have to stick to that team set up the whole time, and you could even switch in the middle of gameplay. That'd be really cool...

But it's all just fanboy speculations of what could be..

And you're right, it'd probably be a total flop.

Nine Tails is CRAZY Hard to beat... [I still can't do it.] But that's what I didn't like about Command Mission. You really have to be a strategic RPG player who knows what he's doing to get out of certain situations like, Rafflesian, and that other guy who gives Zero the Absolute Zero stuff...

As for Overpoweredness on the goodguy's side... There'd have to be Power Limiters, something akin to that of X's Falcon Armor in X5. You couldn't fly with it all the time, but only some of the time. I'd imagine they'd do something like that for Absolute Zero. And same with X, I bet he'd be extremely powerful, but ridiculously slow, sort of like the Gaia Armor. So with that in mind, some sort of "Armor System" would have to be put in place, in order for you to reasonably get through the game, and then call upon it as you need it.
That's one thing I would've liked about Command Mission... Collecting the actual Armor he uses, rather than earning it, or in the case of his Hyper Mode - already having the X Fire Armor.

Bla. I'm rambling...

The point is that Command Mission was a VERY DIFFERENT, but good game. Any modification of such would be a fool's errand, however, with today's Open-World Action based Gaming, I think it'd be VERY AWESOME to see an Adaptation of Command Mission done in that style. It'd still be very different from X8, but it might be closer to what X7 was trying to go for.. and I do think it's something that Capcom shouldn't rule out for the future...

[Sali]

I agree with Command Mission being a somewhat hard RPG if you really attempt to go for the 100% and 'hidden' (they actually aren't but meh) bosses, and yes, Ninetails coudl be considered an attempt to freak players ou on purpose, cause he really is a pain to beat. I think it took me a whole night of raging until I had finally beaten him with a decent strategy, and I think I can say I'm pretty good at RPGs without praising myself too much.

Also, some real-time combat would of course have been nice, but I also like the system they were going with in Command Mission, turn-based but not entirely stiff in the sense of A - B - C - D - A - B - C - D but changeable based on what action you take or how fast your character is, so you could even have two turns before the boss got his own. It was great for planning strategies instead of simply hoping your characters are fast enough to kill the damn thing you're fighting. I actually enjoyed that quite a bit.

I mean, no offense to the older Final Fantasy games, as they are still better than everythign of the series that came out recently, but turn-based combat can get a tiny little bit annoying. It's the reason I can't play two RPGs on older consoles without playing something different in-between.

To put Power Limiters on the Armor is not a bad idea, and I actually think that would work out if you based the point in the game where you get Absolute Zero and Ultimate X on where you got them in Command Mission. It was rather late in the game so they could design these later stages with the Armors in mind and make them not too easy even if you had them at full power later on. Or as you mentioned, they could go for a System like X's Falcon and Gaia Armors.

If Capcom actually decides to take another chance with a Command Mission remake - which I don't think they will, honestly - it would be nice to see them try and make right what they failed to do in X7 and add a little open-world. However if they take it too far it could quickly become something like Sonic '06's "open-worlds", which really only exist for the point of... existing. X7 has proved that the was doing fine being 2D and I can't stress enough that I don't think a classic X game would work in 3D. Command Mission only managed to do that because it was an RPG, and if I want 3D-Rockman then I go and play DASH. It's just that X for me will always be a great 2D Platformer, but that's it.

Don't worry about rambling, I tend to do the same thing... (best example right here)

But yeah, I'm gonna be a bit repetitive here but I'll simply say again that Command Mission will always be a great RPG for me and I think it shouldn't be messed with. It was good as it was and there's no need to change it's system aside from enhancing it.

[Sigma Zero X]

Metal Man X, on 12 August 2012 - 04:43 AM, said:

As for Overpoweredness on the goodguy's side... There'd have to be Power Limiters, something akin to that of X's Falcon Armor in X5. You couldn't fly with it all the time, but only some of the time. I'd imagine they'd do something like that for Absolute Zero. And same with X, I bet he'd be extremely powerful, but ridiculously slow, sort of like the Gaia Armor. So with that in mind, some sort of "Armor System" would have to be put in place, in order for you to reasonably get through the game, and then call upon it as you need it.
That's one thing I would've liked about Command Mission... Collecting the actual Armor he uses, rather than earning it, or in the case of his Hyper Mode - already having the X Fire Armor.

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To put Power Limiters on the Armor is not a bad idea, and I actually think that would work out if you based the point in the game where you get Absolute Zero and Ultimate X on where you got them in Command Mission. It was rather late in the game so they could design these later stages with the Armors in mind and make them not too easy even if you had them at full power later on. Or as you mentioned, they could go for a System like X's Falcon and Gaia Armors.

There are already Power Limiters for the Armors. First off, the effects of the "Boost Power", "Boost Armor", "Boost Shield", "Boost Speed", and "Unlock Limiter" do not work on characters who are in their Hyper Mode armors. In addition, the effects of these five powerups on an unarmored character are negated once the character uses his/her Hyper Mode. The players have to live with the preset modifiers provided in each Hyper Mode armor.

Another power limiter includes X's armors and Absolute Zero. They have preset subweapons. So they cannot be powered up using "Power Charge". For the X Fire and Absolute Zero, these armors cannot use the "Hawkeye" subweapon against "Air" type enemies.

Frankly, having no armor is just as good as having an armor in Command Mission because of the options players have, especially with the "Boost" items during boss fights. I'll leave this boss video for you guys because I felt bored and I felt like it. (And yes, I let the boss use "SOS" on purpose to prove a point.)

[Flame]

what if they made an action rpg version. It can still be a 2D or 3D action adventure game, RPG doesnt mean it HAS to be turn based. make it action rpg, and you can have real time battles, while still retaining all of the rpg elements that CM has.

[Metal X]

Yea, I'm totally down with that. I thought about that too, but didn't write it up, since I blabbed so much about Infamous-X and bla bla.

[Flame]

To be honest, when i saw they went full on turn based, I wondered why they went for the most basic kind of RPG, but was pleasantly surprised by how well it was done and how thought out it was. I got right into it, despite generally not getting too into turn based's.

then Sega tried it wigh Sonic and it fell flat on it's face, because while Mega man is adaptable as far as gameplay goes, Sonic... really isnt...


so yknow, the areas like central tower and all that, can remain hub areas and such, while the actual "stages" can be the action parts.

Of course certain enemies would be a bit different. Like Meltdown, for example. he would most likely be a ticking time bomb, but without turns to give you time to kick his ass, it would be more of a race against the timer.

[Sigma Zero X]

Sigma Zero X, on 13 August 2012 - 03:43 AM, said:

Another power limiter includes X's armors and Absolute Zero. They have preset subweapons. So they cannot be powered up using "Power Charge". For the X Fire and Absolute Zero, these armors cannot use the "Hawkeye" subweapon against "Air" type enemies.

Oops, I made a slight error here. X Fire has Power Charge as a preset Subweapon. I'll use the "Generator" subweapon as a more relevant example. The Generator subweapon makes a Hunter gain 20% WE. X's Hyper Armors and Absolute Zero do not have the ability to use this subweapon or a different subweapon of the player's choosing in the equipment menu.