[Sigma Zero X]

I asked this on other forums to see how others felt about Mega Man Juno's as a legitimate Mega Man. Thankfully, these discussions were not as bad as the discussions debating whether or not Zero was a legit Mega Man.

So I'll ask the same question here. Is Mega Man Juno a legitimate Mega Man in your opinion?

For me, definitely yes. I established this for myself the moment I first heard his name.

Oh, and his JS Bach theme FTW.

[Phoebe Nocturne]

Now that we have the ZX series, which we know is chronologically before Legends, the "Mega Man"/"Rockman" term is a lot looser than it was in Classic/X/Zero. (For the record, I don't personally consider Zero a "Mega Man" except in the sense that the term would eventually apply to him in ZX. Maybe there's some kind of source material or something that gives a meaning for the term "Mega Man" that applies to Zero pre-ZX, but if there is, I don't know of it.)

But yes, I'd say Juno counts. Someone posted concept artwork on this site of other planned bureaucratic units (I think they were all bureaucratic units) a while back. My Japanese reading is extremely rusty, but I recognized the term "Rockman" in every one of their names. Which means there is (or was) probably a lot more than just Trigger and Juno carrying the "Mega Man" title in the world of the Legends series.

To me, that's kind of in keeping with the new usage of "Mega Man" in ZX. Obviously, none of the Game of Destiny stuff or anything else carries over, but the term could evolve further from there to what it means in Legends easily.

(And yes. Bach for Juno's theme was made of win. )

[Thanatos-Zero]

Okay for those who weren't on Megaman Network, here my response again:

What makes a Rockman to a Rockman? From the viewpoint of technological terms is Forte a rockman, because he was based on the original rockman Rock. Nevertheless he is still beaten dispite being physical superior to Rock's design, because he don't fight for the right cause.
Since Zero is also based on the data of Rock and Forte, he is also an rockman.
In addition any reploid can qualifiy as rockmen, because they were all based on X, which in turn is based on Rock.
To an greater extend even the humans with machine bodies can be considered as possible rockmen, because their bodies, were made by reploid technology, which in turn is based on X, which lead us again to Rock.
Since ZX leads in the far future of Legends, any technology which is based on the reploid technology from the past, makes all beings in that era to possible rockmen too.

In other words, Juno is a rockman by the terms of technology. ( I voted yes)

However, how came the original Rockman into existence? Because a robot, with a strong sense of justice, wanted to stop the plans of an evil scientist, who endangered the world several times with or without the intention to do so.

Without that sense of justice and courage, what would a rockman be? Such a rockman would be an incomplete rockman. Without a sense of justice, it becomes a devastating weapon in the wrong hands. It will be still a rockman by its technological terms though, but it won't be a genuine rockman like Rock was.
Zero is a genuine rockman, but Omega is not.

[『ちびまる子ちゃん』正人]

In Mega Man Legends, similar to Mega Man ZX, "Mega Man" is more of the job or title. Trigger is a Mega Man working for Elysium.

So, yes. Juno is technically a Mega Man since it's his title, or job or so.

All Biometal users in ZX are Mega Men. Zero isn't a TRUE Mega Man. Nobody passed the title on to him, nobody refers to him as "Mega Man Zero". It just seemed to be CAPCOM's way of using a better name then just "Zero", "Zero 2" and so forth. And to help kids or fans realize that yeah, it's part of the Mega Man franchise. Because, well, with the different art style, some could get confused like I did when I was younger. I didn't know it was Zero when I saw it in a Magazine until I saw the game box's title as "Mega Man Zero".

So, Zero isn't a Mega Man, just the games title was so to let people know it was a Mega Man franchise entry.

[Dr. Regal]

Thanatos-Zero, on 20 June 2011 - 12:12 AM, said:

Okay for those who weren't on Megaman Network, here my response again:

What makes a Rockman to a Rockman? From the viewpoint of technological terms is Forte a rockman, because he was based on the original rockman Rock. Nevertheless he is still beaten dispite being physical superior to Rock's design, because he don't fight for the right cause.
Since Zero is also based on the data of Rock and Forte, he is also an rockman.
In addition any reploid can qualifiy as rockmen, because they were all based on X, which in turn is based on Rock.
To an greater extend even the humans with machine bodies can be considered as possible rockmen, because their bodies, were made by reploid technology, which in turn is based on X, which lead us again to Rock.
Since ZX leads in the far future of Legends, any technology which is based on the reploid technology from the past, makes all beings in that era to possible rockmen too.

In other words, Juno is a rockman by the terms of technology. ( I voted yes)

However, how came the original Rockman into existence? Because a robot, with a strong sense of justice, wanted to stop the plans of an evil scientist, who endangered the world several times with or without the intention to do so.

Without that sense of justice and courage, what would a rockman be? Such a rockman would be an incomplete rockman. Without a sense of justice, it becomes a devastating weapon in the wrong hands. It will be still a rockman by its technological terms though, but it won't be a genuine rockman like Rock was.
Zero is a genuine rockman, but Omega is not.

Zero is not a rockman. He is not related to MegaMan nor X. Zero was originally made to kill Megaman and Bass. He was not based on MegaMan nor Bass. He was made to be better than them.

Being a rockman has nothing to do with justice. Dark MegaMan EXE and Copy X are Rockmen. They are truly based on their fellow Rocman.

[Vile]

Wow Regal. Where were you when it was stated that Rockman was a title, and X gave it to Zero at the end of Zero 1. He left the world in Zero's hand to protect. Thus, X gave up his title of Rockman and passed it on to Zero. Then in ZX, its a title for those who can use the R.O.C.K. system.

[『ちびまる子ちゃん』正人]

Was my post ignored? *ahem*

Zero isn't a Mega Man. He's just taking over the work OF a Mega Man. It's like Military taking over the job of the police because the police are either too dead to do the job or are unable to do the job itself. X was kinda... Ghostly, and Zero was available. He's not an actual Mega Man but he's doing what other Mega Men have done. Mega Man is a Mega Man. X is a Mega Man. It's their own names. Mega Man and Mega Man X. In ZX, Mega Men is anybody who can use the M.E.G.A. System. So, like I said, any Biometal user. By Legends, it's like in ZX. Mega Man is the title or so. With what we were given in Mega Man Legends so far, Juno stated he was Mega Man Juno. Therefore, he's a true Mega Man. Why? It's his title. Zero was never officially named Mega Man, never officially called it.

[Thanatos-Zero]

Forte and Zero both possess just like Rock the Variable Weapon System which was originally made by Dr.Light.
Also Forte and Zero possess in their legs the Emergency Acceleration System with which Blues was originally made.
Zero's exterior is made with a material similiar that of Titanium X, namely Titanium Z.
Forte was made to be a similiar, but better robot then Rock, based on the data Dr. Wily gathered about him. In addition he discovered Fortium a energy which supassed all known forms of energy found on earth.
You should not just watch for the title Rockman, but rather what gave birth to Rockman and from what is carried over. Namely the "Sense Of Justice" and the "technical components" which gave Rock the ability to fight for his own belief.

Forte is just a from the technical aspect a evolved rockman, but not a genuine rockman like Rock. So is Zero, until he had found his resolve for what he was truly fighting for.

Compare Omega to Zero. They share the same designs, but different mindsets, which makes them different. If Omega is a rockman, then he is a Anti-Rockman, because he fought not of his own for a right cause. Instead he slaughtered uncountable humans and reploids alike.

As for Zero, he may have followed orders to the point he had doubt about himself, but he would always sacrifice himself for his friends. It is a trait that also Rock possesses.

His resolve from the Elf Wars:

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"Omega, I finally knew because I fought with myself. What kind of fighting I have done so far? What exactly my hesitation has been so far? Now I can say that my power is not for destruction. It's for my friends; my power is to protect my friends' beliefs! Be gone, my nightmare!"

His resolve in the final battle against Dr. Vile:

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"I never cared about justice, and I don't ever recall calling myself a hero... I have always only fought for the people that I believe in. I won't hesitate... If an enemy appears before me, I will destroy it!"

So I am asking you dear community.
Does not Zero possess all the traits which Rock had, which made him to a genuine rockman?

[『ちびまる子ちゃん』正人]

Zero is not a genuine Mega Man. Nobody officially said "Okay, now you're Mega Man Zero" or "You're a Mega Man now, Zero". Nor has he ever officially been called "Mega Man Zero" by characters or CAPCOM officials. Nobody has stated his name was Mega Man Zero, but as I said, he does the work that the past two Mega Men have done.

By this logic, Axl is a Mega Man because he does the same as X and Zero.

It has nothing to do with traits. It has to do with whether an actual Mega Man gave the character the title or if the game/series pegged their title/name as Mega Man, like in ZX and Legends. Legends gives it more of a rank while ZX has it as... Well, Biometal users.

Zero does the same job as a Mega Man, which is protecting what is dear to him, but he's not a true Mega Man.

[Thanatos-Zero]

So then... Count all the traits, which Zero lacks, which in turn could make him to a genuine rockman. I am waiting for your answer.

Axl can be considered as a rockman and a genuine one as well with a Sense of Justice, because he is based on reploid technolgy, which in turn is based on X, which lead us back to Rock. What is so difficult and wrong on that?

As for the R.O.C.K Man/Men (Rebirth of Crystallized Knowledge), Albert twisted the original meaning about what a rockman is truly about. It is not about evolution, but to maintain peace or rather to fight for everlasting peace.
The machine bodies of the humans were also based on reploid technology, which turn makes them to possible rockmen, without the evolution idea of Albert.

[『ちびまる子ちゃん』正人]

When I think "Genuine", I think people who have the title. Mega Man and X are genuine because, well, Dr. Light, the person who coined the name "Mega Man" named them so, so they are Mega Men. Zero and Axl aren't, but they have the skills of one and follow the same goal. Nevertheless, Albert wasn't the only person to make Biometals. Ciel did too. Nevertheless, in game, they are officially Mega Men because that's their title. They are Mega Men. Nobody can deny this. Zero and Axl are the only characters we've played as in the main games to not actually be a Mega Man. Oh, and Protoman and Bass along with Barrett in the future.

[Dr. Regal]

MegaMan is part of a name that some characters have such as MegaMan, X, MegaMan Trigger, MegaMan EXE, Copy X, Dark Megaman EXE, and MegaMan Juno. I will also add Protoman as a MegaMan because he is the brother of MegaMan and X.

Zero is not a MegaMan. He does not have the name nor is he related to them.

Having similar abilities does NOT make him a MegaMan. Axl and Vile also have a variable weapon system. They are not a MegaMan. Many robots have arm canons. Does this mean Flashman is a MegaMan? Of course not. If we use this logic then almost every robot is a MegaMan and that is currently not true.

MegaMen/MegaMan is used for another term for people who can use the MEGA system. In this case it is a term for an elite group of people who can use the same type of device. It's not their actual names. It's a title.

@Vile

Please show me a Youtube video of X giving "the title" to Zero.

[The World Warrior]

He sure as hell didn't LOOK like a Mega Man when I first played through MM64 way back when in 2000.

[『ちびまる子ちゃん』正人]

I believe as of ZX, the design of a Mega Man is irrelevant due to people like Ashe who uses Model A (based on Axl) or Sirnaq using Model P (made from Phantom) being Mega Men. Design is irrelevant in the Mega Man series when it comes to... Naming the Mega Man. Just like how Geo Stelar and Omega-Xis become MegaMan. And they don't even look like Mega Man.

[Thanatos-Zero]

Omega-Xis real name is Warrock in Japan, so make a wild guess why the combined form of Hoshikawa Subaru (Geo Stelar) and Warrock isn't called War Rockman, but Shooting Star Rockman.

I am still waiting to see Zan Sidera take on what makes a rockman to a rockman though.

[『ちびまる子ちゃん』正人]

... Yes, I'm aware of the names in Japan. I'm not a total moron. -_-

The reason it is is because the series itself has a lot to do with Astronomy and space. Why name the main character (Who is MegaMan either way) after war, instead of one of the most magnificent items in space (i.e. a shooting star) since the show has a SHITLOAD of space-related names?

[Thanatos-Zero]

That is true indeed, Arby Works. To call him Shooting Star Rockman makes more sense in terms of the setting.

[Sigma Zero X]

If there was one thing that the original Mega Man and Mega Man Juno had in common aside from having the Mega Man name label is the fact that they both were not originally designed for combat.

Other than that, the Mega Man name is now more open with the library of games released.

[Hypershell]

The definition of "Mega Man" varies with the series context. What constitutes a Mega Man in ZX doesn't make a Mega Man in Zero, much less Classic.

To that end, the Legends definition of "Mega Man" is not clear. The term is used for only two characters who share extremely little in common, and whatever roots they do share, are also shared by several Legends 2 characters who do not use the title. If Juno ISN'T a "legitimate" Mega Man, then what makes Trigger one? He's the blue good guy with an arm cannon? That kind of argument isn't really worth debating IMHO. We have no grounds for knowing why the Legends universe calls ANYONE a Mega Man, we only know that it does refer to Mega Man Juno as such.

Tying to Rock technologically doesn't really work, as literally every Reploid in existence ties to X, who in turn ties to Rock.

Tying to Rock on the grounds of values is pretty sketchy, at best. Light's entire "family" of robots generally share the same sentiments, but only two are "Mega Man".

What X and Rock share in common isn't just that they fight for those values, but rather, that they are symbols of hope. ProtoMan fights, and is a creation of Light to boot, but he sticks to the shadows. Bass fights, but good luck getting him to admit any non-selfish reason. Zero fights, but solely as an enforcer, trusting judgement of the "big picture" to his friends such as X and Ciel. Axl fights, but more for the adrenaline rush than anything.

However, to question Juno's position as a "Mega Man" on the grounds of what Rock stands for is to completely throw out no fewer than 8 "Mega Men" from ZX. Juno is called "Mega Man", that much is fact. So all this thread really boils down to is, "What's in a name?"

[『ちびまる子ちゃん』正人]

Mega Man Legends is more of a rank or so. Somebody skilled in their area, my guessing. For Classic and X, it's their names. In Zero, Zero isn't a Mega Man. ZX, any user of the M.E.G.A. System is a Mega Man... And Legends just seems to be maybe a rank or title.