[Dark Seraph Lumine]

Okay, I want Wily to make an appearence in X9, but in a new form, however, I posted whether or not anyone would want to see Serges or Isoc again. The devil in me wants to see Isoc for an Isoc battle, as we all know is old news, but maybe we shouldn't back track that way.

Discuss...

[Noboru]

To be honest, I'm not really sure, it depends on whats going on in the plot, but, it would be interesting if he came back as Isoc or in a new form, and you had the option to fight him at some point, maybe as a secret boss? I think I'd like that, as long as it made sense.

[Flame]

Well they certainly need to pick the Wily thread back up. It was a background element in X4, finally officially revealing Wily as Zero's creator, (sort of) And it was a central plot point in X5, and he was a shadowy secondary character in X6, but after that, and besides a slight nod by Snipe Anteater at "Blue, the lies that have infested the earth, and Red those destroyed and sealed away forever" it was just dropped when Axl was introduced.

So IMO im not sure. I think X9 if anything, should follow up on X8. Lumine is the new main villain. Sigma is no more. Much like X1-3 are X centric and X4-6 are Zero centric, It makes sense that X and 8 being Axl Centric, X9 should probably be so too. Leaave the Wily thead for a later game when we can return to the X and Zero centrism.

[Phi-Zero]

I don't think it's necessary to have Wily. He could be there, preferably as Isoc or in a new form, but he doesn't need to be. It'd be interesting though to see Isoc finally confirmed as Wily. I honestly don't think Serges was Wily. I know the manga came to that conclusion, but i think it's a bit of a stretch to assume that in the games. More likely, either all the X-Hunters are aspects of Wily, or none of them are. It's also possible that the X-Hunters were built by Wily and uncovered by Sigma (Maverick Hunter X2 anyone?), but in X2 Serges says, "The prophecy must be fulfilled!" something he would most likely not say if he built Zero himself.

I wouldn't mind Vile returning either (and maybe we'd get the chance to learn how he came back the second time, or the origin of how he got to be rebellious and "damaged" in the first place). Even a new villain appearing would be welcome.

Lumine needs to be in it though, and Sigma needs to stay dead, at least for the time being. Sigma staying dead is the single most important thing to me in a possible X9. One great thing the X series has is its significant "rogues gallery" compared to other MegaMan series, and i wish we could explore it a little more by taking the focus away from Sigma. We can have a good X game without Sigma, and we've all already had a healthy dose of him. We already know his history, plans, thought processes, and personality. Let's explore another major villain for a change, like Lumine, "Wily," or even Vile.

[Dark Seraph Lumine]

II really don't want Sigma to be dead in X9, just because of him being in the three "x centered" games, then the three "Zero centered" games. I would rather have Sigma live through on more game, X9 so that all three "Axl centered" games dealt with Sigma. Then in X10 Sigma could be dead and it could begin what I like to call "The Lumine Chronicles" or "The Lumine Saga" whichever one works.

But tyeah. Zero and X both had to deal with Sigma three times, so, why shouldn't Axl have to. But hey, aren't Lumine and all other new generation Reploids "Sigma" anyway? I still love the idea of Lumine as the final boss anyway, so, hey, whatever works.

[Phi-Zero]

Dark Seraph Lumine, on 16 June 2011 - 06:21 AM, said:

II really don't want Sigma to be dead in X9, just because of him being in the three "x centered" games, then the three "Zero centered" games. I would rather have Sigma live through on more game, X9 so that all three "Axl centered" games dealt with Sigma. Then in X10 Sigma could be dead and it could begin what I like to call "The Lumine Chronicles" or "The Lumine Saga" whichever one works.

But tyeah. Zero and X both had to deal with Sigma three times, so, why shouldn't Axl have to. But hey, aren't Lumine and all other new generation Reploids "Sigma" anyway? I still love the idea of Lumine as the final boss anyway, so, hey, whatever works.

I totally understand what you mean, and the thought touched my fancy as well. But in X8 they said Sigma was "dead," and for all we know X9 will be the last X game (i hope not (although the last game needs to be awesome too)). Thus my hope for a numbered X game without Sigma is stronger than my desire to see him face X, Zero, and Axl each three times.

If it's any consolation, Lumine is in some ways an extension of Sigma. The ever-evolving Maverick Virus has passed through several forms carrying different sentient consciences. Wily's was the first, then it was Sigma, and now Lumine has usurped Sigma's role. Clearly, Lumine has survived through Axl just as his predecessor Sigma has done countless times before. Lumine was probably granted by Sigma the ability to transmit a virus carrying his own consciousness, so that he could act as a successor in case anything happened to Sigma. What Sigma probably didn't count on was Lumine turning on him so soon. That or all New Generation Reploids can become viruses... and that has frightening implications.

That's one way to reconcile the storylines of the Zero series and X series as well: even though "Sigma" was defeated, the "Sigma Virus" branch of the Maverick Virus survived a lot longer via Lumine and others like him.

Tying all this rambling into this thread's topic, "Wily" may turn out to constitute another branch of the Maverick Virus, one that still carries the original consciousness it was implanted with.

[ultimate x lover]

I think it is a great idea . It's sort of combining the begining and the end of the story .

[Flame]

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I don't think it's necessary to have Wily. He could be there, preferably as Isoc or in a new form, but he doesn't need to be. It'd be interesting though to see Isoc finally confirmed as Wily. I honestly don't think Serges was Wily. I know the manga came to that conclusion, but i think it's a bit of a stretch to assume that in the games. More likely, either all the X-Hunters are aspects of Wily, or none of them are. It's also possible that the X-Hunters were built by Wily and uncovered by Sigma (Maverick Hunter X2 anyone?), but in X2 Serges says, "The prophecy must be fulfilled!" something he would most likely not say if he built Zero himself.

Ooooh boy. Here we go.

Manga has nothing to do with this. This based on games only.

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"The prophecy must be fulfilled!"

English localization only. it completely re-wrote the game.

In japanese he says 'Such regret... To be defeated by that Robotic memento of Right"

I will NOT go into the Serges/Isoc/Wily discussion after we JUST finished having it with DSL. If anyone else wants to, they can.
just browse this thread.

http://megamanx9.com...have-been-wily/

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II really don't want Sigma to be dead in X9, just because of him being in the three "x centered" games, then the three "Zero centered" games. I would rather have Sigma live through on more game, X9 so that all three "Axl centered" games dealt with Sigma. Then in X10 Sigma could be dead and it could begin what I like to call "The Lumine Chronicles" or "The Lumine Saga" whichever one works.

But tyeah. Zero and X both had to deal with Sigma three times, so, why shouldn't Axl have to. But hey, aren't Lumine and all other new generation Reploids "Sigma" anyway? I still love the idea of Lumine as the final boss anyway, so, hey, whatever works.

What exactly does this have to do with Wily..?

[Terminus]

Wily should have some form of 'plot device'. Similar to his behind the curtain approach in few past games. Something at least to either quench his lust for his Masterpiece, similar to X6. or something to halt his lust to enable Zero's Slumber to take place without Wily interfering. Since I doubt Wily would simply allow Zero to make the choice to seal himself away.

[Nemesis]

Zechs, on 17 June 2011 - 01:33 AM, said:

Wily should have some form of 'plot device'. Similar to his behind the curtain approach in few past games. Something at least to either quench his lust for his Masterpiece, similar to X6. or something to halt his lust to enable Zero's Slumber to take place without Wily interfering. Since I doubt Wily would simply allow Zero to make the choice to seal himself away.

He already did in X6 though. Zero's ending in X6 is the prelude to Mega Man Zero.

[ToCool74]

I think he should definitely come back in some form or another.

Its obvious he has been pretty busy during the Mega Man X timeline whith him helping Sigma and constantly checking in on Zero.

I think he should be brought back and they should finally let Zero have 1 final showdown face to face with his creator. Afterall he is apparently dead or atleast missing during the MMZ timeline so there has to be some sort of explaination to why he is not checking up on his ultimate creation.

[Terminus]

Nemesis, on 17 June 2011 - 10:09 PM, said:

He already did in X6 though. Zero's ending in X6 is the prelude to Mega Man Zero.

You didn't get all of my point. I mean that it should be more Wily saturated than X6, and with X9 even closer to the Maverick War conclusion, it only makes more room to delve within the behind the curtain character.

[Nemesis]

Zechs, on 18 June 2011 - 12:36 AM, said:

You didn't get all of my point. I mean that it should be more Wily saturated than X6, and with X9 even closer to the Maverick War conclusion, it only makes more room to delve within the behind the curtain character.

Sorry I should have elaborated a bit more. I wasn't trying to disagree with the point, just trying to point out the fact that Wily DID let Zero seal himself away since that is what he did in Zero's ending of X6 which was the prelude to Mega Man Zero.

However I do agree with you that I would like to see him come back as it is never explained what exactly happened to him. The Virus is obviously still around as they make reference to the incident in X5 in X8 noting that Zero was still very disturbed by the events that took place in X5. So if they were going to bring that back up again in X8 I'm sure it's going to be an issue in X9 thus bringing Wily back into the plot. I do think that X9, if ever made (keeping fingers crossed), might be the last Mega Man X game and if it is Zero and Wily need to meet face to face in my opinion as I believe that everything started with Wily.

[Terminus]

Since that event is merely a foreshadowing, it is placed too far into the future to dictate if Wily would have interfered at all or not. Since that cut scene states it takes place an unknown time in the future. Which is what my point was. When that happens, Zero is freely allowed to sleep. Which I suggest would be a good setup for a Wily encounter of sorts. Just to reiterate.

But speaking of the Virus itself, it lasts till the time passes that led to the creation of the Mother Elf, which is after Zero's sealing. Which could be interesting when considering Wily either still around at that time or not.

But I agree, X5 and X8 did effect Zero profoundly, especially since after X5, his body was spreading the Virus as well. Though I don't think it should be a conclusion, since it can open as much as they want since it in a sense zero's out for the Elf Wars.

[Nemesis]

Okay I can agree with you that I would like the series to continue beyond X9.
Though I do have one question out of curiosity as it's been a few years since I last played X6.
When did it state that it took place at an unknown time in the future?
Also, though I can see everyone wanting to see the gap between the X series and the Zero series filled I doubt they will ever do that >.> after all, we're already up to Mega Man 10 and we've yet to see any foreshadowing of X and Zero's creations within the main series (not counting powerbattles when they show Zero....which was AWESOMENESS!!!)

[Flame]

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foreshadowing of X and Zero's creations

Power fighters and Roboenza are all we will ever get.

[Terminus]

Nemesis, on 18 June 2011 - 07:39 PM, said:

Okay I can agree with you that I would like the series to continue beyond X9.
Though I do have one question out of curiosity as it's been a few years since I last played X6.
When did it state that it took place at an unknown time in the future?

Watching the vids on youtube, it is strongly implied by the presence of the 'Mysterious Scientist', as well as the correlation with the release of Zero 1 (X6 stating he would sleep over 100 years, and Zero epilogue stating X fought a war by himself for nearly 100 years). So it is more or less piecing the pieces together kind of thing.

Unless I'm forgetting something or if the Japanese X6 states anything of the like.

[Zan]

Flame, on 19 June 2011 - 07:00 AM, said:

Power fighters and Roboenza are all we will ever get.

Don't forget The Power Battle.

[Senju]

To be honest: if Wily is in X9 (not a bad idea all together), it will likely be the last X game. That's because, after beating on the master villiain, there isn't much you can do. Its like saying "Well I just killed the puppetmaster, so let's-ooh, Sigma! That should be a challenge.". It only makes for brewing up another classic series: Barely a plot. I say at least have X8 continued, and then kill Wily. (Sadly, it'd still mean that the series would be finished.) But that's just me.

[Terminus]

it can continue on and maintain interesting plot outside of Wily and Sigma. With Sigma's death, and Wily M.I.A. (excluding plot devices with him), the Virus, damage the Virus causes and possibly other reploids whom are guinea pigs for yet another form of Anti-Virus that could fail and cause a whole other villain to rise.

I doubt Wily would be anything of a Key Villain. More rather a key secondary character/avatar character. Something that continues to assist Zero/key villain for the plot, and involve himself a bit more (the more towards Zero, the more that can be done for both characters as per development). Like his role in X2 and X6, secondary yet it's own mastermind type. If that makes sense.

Since as long as the Virus remains about, effectively so does 'Wily'. At least for his out-of-body ability (since within a body could hold it's own restrictions).