[Noble 6]

First let me start by saying that I am not trying to take away from Justin's accomplishments, ride a wave he's started and I'm in no way affiliated directly with him and his project, he simply inspired me. I once had the same idea to make Zero playable, but in all of the SNES X games. Making Zero playable in X1 is probably a much bigger project than I am prepared to tackle, but I'm willing to give it a try. This is a stepping stone for me to a larger project. However, I have a completely different situation than X3, since X3 already had Zero playable, X1 did not.

So my biggest issues right now are:

1) What do I do with the intro level? My current plan is to leave it as is and let the scene with X at the end play as is, but if I could make it appear that Zero is moving as fast as he can to save X, I want to. What would you like to see?

2) To prevent Zero, since he is pre-saber here, from being simply a pallette-swapped X, what things can I add/change to make it a truly unique experience from the original X game? Faster and/or longer dash, higher jump, stronger buster, special abilities, capsules, dialogue, etc...
2a) Along with this, any spriters who can hook me up with a full sprite set for Zero's X1 design as I am not an artist in any way.

3) To stay within established canon, Zero has to lose at the first Sigma Fortress stage, however I would like to offer an "alternate timeline" option where he plays through all the Fortress stages and defeats Sigma himself but I don't know how doable or worthwhile that would be.


Finally, let me say that while I have faith in my ability to do this, I have very little time to devote to this and I have no timeline for how soon it could be finished but with your motivation and help, I hope to make it a reality and also possibly build some relationships that can assist with my next project.

EDIT: I'll lay out a project outline for everyone here.

1. Make Zero fully playable (In the interest of saving me a ton of extra work, I may work concurrently on making Vile playable here)
2. Balance Zero's abilities against armored X's (this is where changes to Zero's gameplay would happen, jump height, dash speed, et all)
3. Adjust intro level to fit canon according to Zero's perspective (Zero rushing to X's aid) with cutscene in appropriate place
4. Adjust Sigma Fortress to fit canon (Zero going ahead of X, meeting and being captured by Vile) with cutscene in appropriate place
[End of Playable Zero in X1 Project] (Any steps that follow are not set in stone and based on doability and viability)
5. Vile Mode
6. Give Zero his trademark saber (most likely X3 version but I will see about giving him his triple-slash a la X4/Xtreme 2, I figure if the GBC could do it...)
7. "Alternate Timeline" mode (wherein Zero plays through the whole game and defeats Vile and Sigma himself)
8. Ultimate Armor Zero (will need assistance with sprites, abilities, etc...)
9. Any additional features that I think I can reasonably add

So I am not going to say "guarantee" because that's a tough word, but the plan is to successfully implement the first 4 steps listed above. 5-9 would be in the Ultimate Edition and I'm not making any promises. I suppose if anyone is up to the challenge, I could make the Ultimate Edition a team effort and delegate some of the work out to anyone willing to assist so I'm not going alone. My biggest concern with steps 5-9 is the time spent doing those things, I might as well be making my own original work if I'm going to put that much effort into it, since I do have at least two ideas that I would like to begin work on someday.

This post has been edited by Noble 6: 17 May 2011 - 09:04 PM

[justin3009]

Well the basic setup for this would possibly to go the X3 style. Have each character's value be stored to memory. X being 00, Zero being 02. In order to get a good grasp on this, you'll have to find where the game loads each characters Graphics, Sprite Assembly and animations (Which they should be very similar to X3's so that's not a problem) and write a check there for the character. The first step to tackle though would be to try and write different values for the characters.

1. If that, maybe offer an alternate game play where you play as Zero through the intro level with some of the enemies removed because X had already gone through.

2. Zero's buster is much MUCH stronger than X's it appears right away at the beginning of the game. His medium buster shot ripped off the arm from Vile's Ride Armor. So probably enhanced buster damage, slightly quicker than X.. not sure what else.

2a. I believe I have a sprite sheet of that. I actually just stumbled on it recently before I was making my own.

3. This one would take awhile to plan.

[Shadow Zero]

*starts stalkin yo shelves* =w=

Also, I am kind of scratching my head as to what I can come up with your current questions, but I'll be sure to let you know when I have some ideas in mind.

[Noble 6]

justin3009, on 09 May 2011 - 08:10 PM, said:

3. This one would take awhile to plan.

This would be best suited for a "Remastered" like you're planning. In its current state, I would simply allow people to finish the game as Zero but leave the dialogue and ending as is. I realize that's a glaring inconsistency but I don't want this project to get out of hand.

[Noble 6]

That sounds like a real a-hole move, I will reevaluate that.

[Mac]

Sounds like a decent idea. I do know theres a ROM hack of X1 where Zero is playable...however without his ponytail. If you can completely implement Zero with text and scenes and such too, I'll be behind you 100%. We love these types of projects here at X9! I could even help you write some dialogue as I have helped justin too. =)

[justin3009]

The rom hack like that is just a recolored X with Zero's head basically.

If you need help with this project Noble, I'll do what I can to help after the Zero Project is done (Which I think it is now since no bug reports have happened since Beta 8.3). This was another project I wanted to do back in the day, one of the main reasons I started the X3 one actually.

This is probably unneeded right now but.. Here's where the dialogue loads from.

$80/E6B9 A9 04 LDA #$04 A:01FA X:0030 Y:00FF P:envMXdizc
$80/E6BB 04 C0 TSB $C0 [$00:00C0] A:0104 X:0030 Y:00FF P:envMXdizc
$80/E6BD AD 32 1F LDA $1F32 [$86:1F32] A:0104 X:0030 Y:00FF P:envMXdizc
$80/E6C0 29 3F AND #$3F A:0101 X:0030 Y:00FF P:envMXdizc
$80/E6C2 0A ASL A A:0101 X:0030 Y:00FF P:envMXdizc
$80/E6C3 AA TAX A:0102 X:0030 Y:00FF P:envMXdizc
$80/E6C4 C2 20 REP #$20 A:0102 X:0002 Y:00FF P:envMXdizc
$80/E6C6 BF 90 C8 84 LDA $84C890,x[$84:C892] A:0102 X:0002 Y:00FF P:envmXdizc - This is when Vile first speaks in the game. 84C890 is where the pointers to the text are. 84C892 is the pointer to Vile's first text when he says "You worthless piece of..." etc.. If there was a character check for separate dialogue for characters, it would go here.
$80/E6CA 85 68 STA $68 [$00:0068] A:CB02 X:0002 Y:00FF P:eNvmXdizc
$80/E6CC 64 6C STZ $6C [$00:006C] A:CB02 X:0002 Y:00FF P:eNvmXdizc
$80/E6CE 64 6E STZ $6E [$00:006E] A:CB02 X:0002 Y:00FF P:eNvmXdizc
$80/E6D0 64 BC STZ $BC [$00:00BC] A:CB02 X:0002 Y:00FF P:eNvmXdizc
$80/E6D2 64 BE STZ $BE [$00:00BE] A:CB02 X:0002 Y:00FF P:eNvmXdizc
$80/E6D4 9C 38 1F STZ $1F38 [$86:1F38] A:CB02 X:0002 Y:00FF P:eNvmXdizc
$80/E6D7 E2 20 SEP #$20 A:CB02 X:0002 Y:00FF P:eNvmXdizc
$80/E6D9 9C 3C 1F STZ $1F3C [$86:1F3C] A:CB02 X:0002 Y:00FF P:eNvMXdizc
$80/E6DC 9C 3D 1F STZ $1F3D [$86:1F3D] A:CB02 X:0002 Y:00FF P:eNvMXdizc
$80/E6DF E6 6F INC $6F [$00:006F] A:CB02 X:0002 Y:00FF P:eNvMXdizc
$80/E6E1 A0 00 LDY #$00 A:CB02 X:0002 Y:00FF P:envMXdizc
$80/E6E3 AD 33 1F LDA $1F33 [$86:1F33] A:CB02 X:0002 Y:0000 P:envMXdiZc
$80/E6E6 8D 36 1F STA $1F36 [$86:1F36] A:CB01 X:0002 Y:0000 P:envMXdizc
$80/E6E9 20 7E E9 JSR $E97E [$80:E97E] A:CB01 X:0002 Y:0000 P:envMXdizc


$80/E97E F4 84 86 PEA $8684 A:CB01 X:0002 Y:0000 P:envMXdizc
$80/E981 AB PLB A:CB01 X:0002 Y:0000 P:envMXdizc
$80/E982 B1 68 LDA ($68),y[$84:CB02] A:CB01 X:0002 Y:0000 P:eNvMXdizc - This is where it starts loading the text values up. A B C D E F etc.. basically the structure.
$80/E984 C8 INY A:CB8A X:0002 Y:0000 P:eNvMXdizc
$80/E985 AB PLB A:CB8A X:0002 Y:0001 P:envMXdizc
$80/E986 60 RTS A:CB8A X:0002 Y:0001 P:eNvMXdizc

[Xero_Omega]

Good luck Noble 6! I used to have all the sprites for every X game, but my external hard drive I had all my pictures on died a horrible death. I collected all X and Zero pictures from when I was a kid, but now they are gone. Ill try to help out, I used to be a spriter and a couple of other things.

[Noble 6]

Justin thanks for the code. I am sifting right now and Mac, that is what I hope to do eventually. Justin you got your own remastered project to do so I won't bug you too much unless I really need to but the sprites would be helpful if you can supply them.

[PhantomFour]

Noble 6, on 10 May 2011 - 12:29 AM, said:

Justin thanks for the code. I am sifting right now and Mac, that is what I hope to do eventually. Justin you got your own remastered project to do so I won't bug you too much unless I really need to but the sprites would be helpful if you can supply them.

I'm reading your above post and presuming that you're asking for the sprite assembly addresses and not the sprites themselves, correct? If you're simply looking for the sprites themselves, the original Zero sprites from Mega Man X can be conveniently found at Sprites INC: Sprites INC - Zero X1 - X3

Not that the original sprites help much. Zero still needs sprite sequences for running, wall kicking, wall sliding, ladder climbing, getting damaged, etc. and that doesn't even include shooting animations for all of his movements. My recommendation would be to use the Mega Man X3 sprites and custom edit them: remove the gold trim on his legs and collar, remove the reinforced shoulder pads, remove the saber, etc. Doing so would give Zero a slightly taller and somewhat thicker build than his original sprites depict him, but I feel that has more to do with a change in art style (not to mention a larger ROM) than a change in his actual "real world" size. Just an idea.

As for your 3 issues:

1) In my opinion, having Zero play through a slightly altered intro level--designed to represent his hasty pursuit to catch up with and save X--is an excellent idea. It shouldn't be too difficult to pull off either. Simply changing the music to something more up tempo (his theme music perhaps?), coupled with Zero's inherent ability to dash would give the player a feeling of speed and urgency.

2) It's tough to find gameplay features to differentiate X and Zero from each other. At that point in the story they were supposed to be rather similar. I know Justin mentioned the relative buster strengths but (as much as I like you Justin) I happen to disagree; I don't believe those are dissimilar either. While I certainly agree that the Z-buster is stronger than X's standard blue buster, I disagree (with many perhaps) in that I don't think it is substantially stronger than X's upgraded buster. In fact, call me crazy, but I happen to think that the Z-buster and the upgraded X-buster are pretty much dead on par with each other: Here's 3 reasons:

1. The shot Zero fires to save X is not a level 1, not a level 2, but in fact a level 3 Z-buster shot. Yes, it uses the same sprite as X's level 1 charged shot, but based on the sound effect, Zero has (just barely) charged his buster to level 3 by the time he fires. Still, rather than create a unique sprite that would only be used once, Capcom just lazily used a palette swap of X's level 1 shot which, to their credit, was sleek looking to begin with. More convincingly, if you've played the PSP remake, Zero saves X by hitting Vile's ride armor with a large reddish shot; this large reddish shot is the same that X fires at level 3 (maximum charge) if he obtains the Z-buster from Zero.

2. The Ride Armor's arm is extended in a very vulnerable position while Vile is clutching X. Zero's success in destroying it may have had as much to with the timing and accuracy of his shot, as it had to do with the power of it (perhaps that's why he fails to defeat the ride armor in Sigma's fortress).

3. Zero and X's busters are completely interchangeable in both the original and the PSP remake. Their designs were so similar that Zero could simply give X his buster. I know that part of this similarity was probably because Capcom was too lazy to program different functions for the Z-buster and upgraded X-buster, but hey, they function the same way nonetheless. Plus, in the PSP remake, the designers did take the time to change the style and appearance of the Z-buster's final charged shot (the same one that Zero uses to save X actually), but the overall ability and power of the buster still stayed the same as the upgraded X-buster.

I don't feel Zero's buster needs any buffs. It's pretty much the same as X's upgraded buster and I think the developers intended it that way. I guess that doesn't really help you find a way to distinguish the two though...

3) I'm gonna' have to think a little longer on this dilemma...

[Phoebe Nocturne]

Like PhantomFour pointed out, Zero's buster has a different appearance in Maverick Hunter X than X's normally upgraded buster. Probably the laziest you could get with Zero's buster in a playable-Zero version of Mega Man X would be to use the blue level-2 charge shot (regardless of whatever its power was in the original cutscene), and use a red level-3 charge shot sprite for the fully-charged buster.

I always thought in Maverick Hunter X, the red Zero's-buster shot was more powerful and concentrated than the helix-style version you get from Dr. Light's capsule (if not the PSP version of the capsule upgrade, at least the original version). Plus, it wouldn't have that energy aura surrounding X/Zero while firing.

Aside from that, the only things I can think of to make Zero unique from X is removing the capsules entirely from the equation. They kind of make sense in Justin's X3 project, but Zero obviously already had the dash capability (there's no evidence he could break blocks by wall-jumping, but it's a reasonable assumption) and a more powerful buster that can also charge special weapons. All that's left is the head-crush ability, which can easily be removed since Zero wouldn't need the buster capsule... and the defensive armor, the lack of which could balance Zero's power advantage. (I'd recommend extending his life gauge like Justin did in X3, too.)

Sprites are an interesting issue, though. Zero's sprite design in the original X is totally inconsistent with his design artwork. Which looks like X2/X3 Zero, with minor cosmetic changes like the ball-joint shoulder look and a different buster design. So you could get away with light editing on the most complete 16-bit Zero sprite set. But if you'd rather stay true to the original game's sprite designs, and most probably would, there's no shortage of sprite artists on this site that'd probably be able to help.

EDIT: An easy fix on the "alternate timeline" issue would be to have Zero die in the fortress after defeating Sigma, leaving X (who we can assume would have appeared as an NPC in the same scenes as Zero) gazing over the destruction and pondering the death of his friend in the epilogue. If you're concerned about continuing into the next game, X2 could then proceed with his body being rebuilt/reassembled (depending on whether you look at the original or localized story) and escaping from the X-Hunters. Changing the time and place of his death in X1 means that Cain might not have recovered his control chip, so that gives some leeway.

[Noble 6]

PhantomFour, on 10 May 2011 - 03:49 AM, said:

Not that the original sprites help much. Zero still needs sprite sequences for running...

Precisely, the sheet that I now have looks like a combination of X1 and X3 sprites with some modifications. At first glance they hold up but there are clearly areas where things don't fit upon closer inspection so I am looking for some talented spriters to help me out (I also have another project in the future that requires extensive spriting that I'd like to get assistance on too.). Also that being said, I would like to stick with his slimmed down X1 appearance to clearly differentiate between the two eras, pre and post "death".

PhantomFour, on 10 May 2011 - 03:49 AM, said:

1) In my opinion, having Zero play through a slightly altered intro level--designed to represent his hasty pursuit to catch up with and save X--is an excellent idea. It shouldn't be too difficult to pull off either. Simply changing the music to something more up tempo (his theme music perhaps?), coupled with Zero's inherent ability to dash would give the player a feeling of speed and urgency.

My plan was to simply have you the character run through the ruined highway, no mechaniloids (perhaps just a few), bee-bladers already ruined and the moment he hits the last section of highway, the original cutscene begins as always.

PhantomFour, on 10 May 2011 - 03:49 AM, said:

2) It's tough to find gameplay features to differentiate X and Zero from each other. At that point in the story they were supposed to be rather similar....

I had intended to just leave the Buster as is, unless someone could give me a good reason why I should make it stronger. I had considered upping the damage of a single shot by 1 point (in whatever scale is used in the code) but otherwise leave the charges the same. Instead I had toyed with the idea of making him run faster, jump higher, dash farther or other possibilities in various combinations.

Phoebe Nocturne, on 10 May 2011 - 05:38 AM, said:

Aside from that, the only things I can think of to make Zero unique from X is removing the capsules entirely from the equation. They kind of make sense in Justin's X3 project, but Zero obviously already had the dash capability (there's no evidence he could break blocks by wall-jumping, but it's a reasonable assumption) and a more powerful buster that can also charge special weapons. All that's left is the head-crush ability, which can easily be removed since Zero wouldn't need the buster capsule... and the defensive armor, the lack of which could balance Zero's power advantage. (I'd recommend extending his life gauge like Justin did in X3, too.)

Going back to the genesis of this project, it started out as me wanting to see the SNES X games on GBA in a fashion similar to the Super Mario Advance series, with added content. I conceived "Zero mode" as brand new levels in X1, 2 and 3 with Zero exploring his history and encountering one Wily Capsule per game that would grant him upgrades, explaining his differences in ability and appearance between the games, but much of this was thought up before I knew about bad US localization and such so it doesn't really work anymore. Removal of the capsules is fine but I had considered keeping the heart tanks to retain some of the game's original flavor.

What do you think?

Phoebe Nocturne, on 10 May 2011 - 05:38 AM, said:

EDIT: An easy fix on the "alternate timeline" issue would be to have Zero die in the fortress after defeating Sigma, leaving X (who we can assume would have appeared as an NPC in the same scenes as Zero) gazing over the destruction and pondering the death of his friend in the epilogue. If you're concerned about continuing into the next game, X2 could then proceed with his body being rebuilt/reassembled (depending on whether you look at the original or localized story) and escaping from the X-Hunters. Changing the time and place of his death in X1 means that Cain might not have recovered his control chip, so that gives some leeway.[/color]

That's actually pretty good. It wouldn't require much change either except to some text at the end. It might have to be an unlockable though, just to ensure that people don't misinterpret it as me trying to alter the series canon.

EDIT: As for the Hadoken, would it be worth keeping in and allow Zero to obtain it?

This post has been edited by Noble 6: 10 May 2011 - 04:40 PM

[justin3009]

Zero should definitely be able to gather Heart Tanks and Sub Tanks if he's technically going to be fully playable.

If you start as him and the capsule idea is to remove them, you can just set the memory value to FF so he has all the pieces, but write a check so the helmet and junk wouldn't work with him. Simplest measure anyway.

I'm not sure if Zero should have the Hadouken to be honest. That seems more like an X trade mark move. Considering Zero is technically going to be more powerful right away, it's not really fair.

[Model_O]

It would also be kinda fun for Vile to be Playable in 16 bit haha i know he was in MHX, but MHX was kinda blah

[supergen777]

I have been brainstorming ideas recently for a decent believable NON-CANON story for Zero that would solve some of your gameplay issues.

1. I like the idea that the opening stage should feature Zero chasing down X as others have said.

2. My first idea for a Non-canon Zero story would be after Zero fights Vile, Vile kidnaps X at Sigma's bidding so that Sigma can try and discover the source of X's limitless potential or perhaps even try (unsuccessfully) to turn X into a maverick as he has done to so many of the other maverick hunters. After all they attempt to kidnap X in X3 to turn him maverick as well so this would seem like a reasonable story possibility.

3. Following this would be a cutscene with Zero explaining X's kidnapping to Dr. Cain during which Dr. Cain would give a Zero a beam saber like Sigma's. After all Dr. Cain was the creator of Sigma's original body and he was designed with a beam saber like Zero's. Correct? So it would be reasonable that Dr. Cain could fashion a beam saber for the new leader of the maverick hunters, Zero. Also in the flashback in X4 where Sigma and Zero fight for the first time, Sigma uses his saber against Zero and Zero uses a metal pole as a saber. So its completely reasonable to give Zero a beam saber with some skill at using it at this point. Although at this point in the story I would not give him his traditional 3x Saber Combo. I personally believe that he should get better at fencing later on during X3 and before X4. As I posted in Justin3009's X3 Zero hack I would give Zero an attack similar to what X uses for Zero's saber in X6. In X2 and X3 he doesn't really use the saber exclusively for his combos, just the combo of his Z-Buster and Z-Saber. I would manifest this as a dedicated Z-Saber attack for Zero without the possibility of using it in a combo with his Z-Buster at this point in the storyline. This would solve your gameplay issue about making Zero and X play differently.

4. Zero would then eliminate the 8 Mavericks in order to find the location of Sigma's Fortress with maybe a scene of Dr. Cain saying he found the location of Sigma's Fortress after the defeat of the 8th Maverick much like X3.

5. As for the fight with Sigma, I'm still brainstorming details for this but I would allow Zero fight all the way to Sigma as has been suggested. During the fight with Sigma, Sigma would reveal that he became a maverick because of his first fight with Zero, (probably, with X unconscious in a capsule like Zero in X1) and try to persuade Zero to "rejoin him" in his war against humanity.

6. The ending sequence should be similar to the ending in X5 where Zero dies sacrificing himself to save X.

Edit: I want to give credit to Pheobe and the others who suggested this first. I honestly hadn't read their earlier posts when I posted my ideas for a Non-Canon Zero story. I wanted to post immediately while the ideas were still fresh in my mind. I'm just glad we are circling around the same ideas.

This would close the hole that Zero must die before X2 and would be similar to how Zero is supposed to die against Vile except its Sigma he sacrifices himself to defeat. Then I would have X standing on the cliff as he does in X1 watching Sigmas fortress's destruction contemplating Zero's sacrifice vowing that he would take his place as the leader of the maverick hunters and finish the quest that Zero began to rid the world of mavericks.

That's all the ideas that I came up with. Your feedback and suggestions would be appreciated.

[PhantomFour]

I like the idea of giving him a longer dash and perhaps a higher jump. You need to be careful about the latter though because having a high jump can be quite annoying when you're in an area with a spiked ceiling. It'd be great if you could add an air dash but I imagine that would require writing new code. You might consider leaving Zero's defense level the same as blue X. That way he'd be more agile but at the expense of durability.

Some minor differentiate would be nice but I don't believe you need to totally rework the way Zero plays (not that I think it's your intention to do so). Sonic & Knuckles was a huge success despite the fact that the two characters played nearly identical. I mean, sure, Knuckles could glide and wall climb while Sonic accelerated faster and could jump slightly higher, but the core gameplay was the same. Players just liked playing the game from Knuckle's perspective. I think the same is true of this project. If the sprites are well done and the player gets to experience the story through Zero's eyes, they'll be more than happy just to have that. If you start working on a remastered project, then you can work about the "big" changes (and all the heavy coding that comes with em').

By the way, I do like Phoebe's conception of the "alternate timeline." Running with her idea and adding my own twist, what if Zero found X unconscious in the final camber of the fortress? Prior to Zero's arrival, X defeats Velguarder but then loses to sigma. Zero confronts Sigma to avenge his friend, defeats both forms of Sigma, but is mortally wounded in the process. X awakens to find both Zero and Sigma dead and is left, as Phoebe said, "pondering the death of his friend in the epilogue." A more dramatic variation to the above scenario would be to have Zero enter the darkened final chamber and again find an unconscious X in the corner. As he stares at his friend, the lights suddenly activate and Sigma's massive final form emerges, (suggesting that X overcame Sigma's reploid form but lost to the battle body) plunging Zero right into the final fight.

Edit: I agree with Justin in that he should definitely be able to obtain heart tanks and sub tanks but probably not the Hadoken.

[Shadow Zero]

That sounds like it would be a good thing to have for a remastered project. For now though, I think we should stay as close to canon as possible.

I do have a couple of suggestions for the first level in Sigmas fortress, which would be the final level for Zero. I think there should be one or two minibosses as soon as he leaves X, but before the moving platforms, then in the place between the moving platforms and the ladders, have capsules that Take Zero to each of the eight Maverick Rooms in the fortress and show him fighting them. However, they would not be destroyed, but heavily damaged, (they should have upgrades of some sort, like with what was done in Xtreme 1&2) and then he'll be teleported to the place just above the ladders with X and Vile already there and Zero saying that he'll take Vile on. He then fights against Viles armor and defeats it, and then against Vile Himself, but upon Vile being brought down to one bar of life, he fires a fast moving homing shot that can't be avoided and paralyzes Zero, making him unable to move. Vile then gets another rider armor and grabs Zero, placing him on the bottom part of the capsule and showing the top half lower until its just above Zero's head, and then activates. Then there'll be a cut scene showing X in Vile's grasp and Zero busting out of the capsule to save X and give him a fighting chance. Then there would be the cut scene showing X holding a dying Zero like in X5, Zero stating his request and giving X his Arm Canon, and X does his thinking part. Then it ends there with credits, except it's just the highway scrolling past, and Sigma, Velgauder, Bospider, The Face, and D-Rex are excluded from the end part of the credits.

But yeah, there's my two cents. What do you guys think?

[supergen777]

On the debate, of keeping the X1 Zero Mode story as close to Canon as possible, I would like to state my opinions.

A. Is it desirable to keep the story as close to canon as possible? Yes it is.
B. Is it desirable to have Zero play significantly different than X? Yes it is.

1. Can you have both A and B together? No, not without trading one for the other. That's why I think it would be okay to take some alternate timeline story liberty to give Zero his beam saber early, sacrificing some canonicity, for more differentiated gameplay and still leave the ending as canon as possible.

It really boils down to what do you want more? Better gameplay with a partially canon story? or a completely canon story with the same old gameplay slightly tweaked for Zero? Personally I choose better gameplay.

[sluggish]

İ say this project is a must bro.But why do i feel bad that we steal X's thunder which is already like a firefly in a shiny day by putting Zero in his place in his first and arguably the best game.Nah it must be weather

Anyway since this is like an alternative story i think you're free to do whatever you want with story.Not something extreme though.For the intro stage i think you can put more and powerful enemies kinda like vile mode in MHX.I don't know maybe more racing dudes since they were fun to ride after you destroyed them.As for the explanation Zero may have simply used another road to come that point since it's a frigging highway.As for the intro boss i wouldn't mind a third and a faster firing copter.... thingy.It would be much easier to do i think.When it's deestroyed it would crash the road and create a gap which could only be passed with a dash jump which Zero already have.

After rescuing X he would say him to return to base and take it easy while he investigates(AKA kicking ass).Fortress part is the most troubling part if you decide to follow the script.I have a couple of idea popping up but they're not solid yet so.....

[justin3009]

My question though is how is this going to work?

Are you going to replace X literally and just have Zero be playable only? Or are you going to have X AND Zero playable? This will HEAVILY be an influence on what you would want to do.