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http://www.betanews....cked/1303586929

Well damn. I havent been able to play COD, Dead Space 2, Red Dead, or Homefront all week.


This just in: Google OpSony!

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Another EDIT: Anon is not the perpetrator. Videos are false. They were just hackers trying to sell Credit card info

[『ちびまる子ちゃん』正人]

HAY GUISE TEH DIGITAL DOMINASHUN PLAN IZ WORKIN TEH ARBY BOIS HAS HACKED SON-E.

[Irgy]

Oh. Well, guess it's a good thing my PS3 hasn't arrived yet then. Being unable to do anything after having just gotten it would've driven me nuts.

Rasengan_Boi, on 23 April 2011 - 10:48 PM, said:

HAY GUISE TEH DIGITAL DOMINASHUN PLAN IZ WORKIN TEH ARBY BOIS HAS HACKED SON-E.

.... >_>

[Flame]

huh. So that was why i found a vid by anon threatening Sony for being dicks and their customers for putting up with it.

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[ryder]

that last video made it seem as if it was a final cliff hanger cutscene in some futruistic game.... i miss playing online =/

[JOHNY BOMB!]

Yep...been bummed out that this been going on for nearly a week. If you're gonna hack, then hack but not where it's gonna effect the entire gaming community. These "hackers" sending a message to Sony, those guys are taking video games way too seriously, I mean damn do whatever is you do in secrecy for your own gain instead of messing it up for everyone. Are they really that angry at Sony? Talk about lack of hobbies there, there's more to life than video games.

[New Zero]

And here I was blaming my Internet connection...

[Telos]

Dynamo8, on 24 April 2011 - 06:12 AM, said:

Yep...been bummed out that this been going on for nearly a week. If you're gonna hack, then hack but not where it's gonna effect the entire gaming community. These "hackers" sending a message to Sony, those guys are taking video games way too seriously, I mean damn do whatever is you do in secrecy for your own gain instead of messing it up for everyone. Are they really that angry at Sony? Talk about lack of hobbies there, there's more to life than video games.

Pretty sure it's not so much 'anger over videogames' as it is 'anger over a business that acts like dicks and its sheep customers who gladly bend over and take it'.

[Jeff]

Anonymous hacked it previously, this time they stated that they didn't. Was that untrue?

Even if Anonymous DID do it again, good. Just shows how shitty Sony's security is on a fucking worldwide network. Pretty pathetic.

[Shadowii2]

Welp, those guys who hacked the network aren't doing the players any favors if they're trying to attack Sony. Unless they're Microsoft fanboys who want to throw shit into the fan, that is.

[Jeff]

Shadowii2, on 24 April 2011 - 12:20 PM, said:

Welp, those guys who hacked the network aren't doing the players any favors if they're trying to attack Sony. Unless they're Microsoft fanboys who want to throw shit into the fan, that is.

It's mainly around the jailbreak and how Sony shouldn't be suing everyone. Hackers back each other and Anonymous is basically showing their support for Geohot and all other PS3 hackers by fucking Sony over.

Oh, and I love reading all these idiots over at GameSpot and over general gaming sites saying "Geohot is evil!", "THAT'S WHAT HACKERS DESERVE!", etc. Little do they know that these people are just trying to bring the user more options.

While it's completely true that it doesn't do the players any favors (I've been wanting to get some games on PSN and play Portal 2/MK online), if you look at the big picture, they're doing it all for the end-user. Can't really think of another way to fuck Sony over without taking down PSN though, within their reach at least.

Also, Sony better do something for everyone for this. Probably give out free one month PlayStation Plus memberships...ooooh.

[Phoebe Nocturne]

This kind of stuff annoys me. Sony provides online service to their customers free of charge. We're not getting any less than what we pay for, because we never paid for any of it in the first place. The PS3 is their product, and they decide the limitations to be placed on it. There's nothing unfair about it... they could very easily be giving us much less and we'd have no right to complain. Other OS support? Probably one or two percent of PS3 owners even bothered to use that feature. Yeah, it's kind of annoying that they locked it out on older machines as well as removing it from newer ones, but if people weren't so hell-bent on pirating and jailbreaking their systems, Sony wouldn't have had to remove it to help prevent that. What's really so wrong with using a device for what the company intends you to be able to? Providing the user with more options is one thing, but the potential for illegal use makes it too risky to the company's interests. Of course they're going to cut it off. Their product, their service, their rules. You agree to that every time you accept an end user license agreement.

This just... annoys me. Anyone who attacks PSN to prove a point is shooting their own supporters in the foot, and they're not damaging Sony at all. Take this, Sony! Now your loyal customers can't use their free online service while you beef up security so we can't attack you again! What do you think of THAT, huh?!

Idiots...

[Telos]

Except the intent was never to cause problems for PS3 users. They outright stated it over and over that if there was a way for them to do it without messing things up for PSN, then they would. Not to mention that your first and foremost statement is wrong: You ARE getting less than what you paid for. Just because you don't happen to use a certain feature, doesn't mean other people didn't either. And to punish people for harmlessly trying to regain the feature which they bought the product under the pretense of having is just a pure dick move on Sony's behalf. In essence, Sony is punishing people like Geohot BECAUSE they were trying to use the product as it was originally intended.

Not that it isn't their first dick move for that matter, or need we be reminded of the countless hours PS3 users put up with for 'security upgrades' and scans to make sure nobody was pirating PS3 games, only for users who legitimately purchased a game getting locked out because their scans were faulty and started labeling legal purchases as pirated copies, followed by the threat of lawsuit. Or how about Sony managing to get a few thousand PS3's stuck in customs because they decided to screw with another company all in the name of more money to line their golden pockets with. Sony are dicks.

The only truly negative aspect about this entire debacle is the fact that users are such passive sheep that they stand around and take it to the point that it took freakin' Anonymous - Anonymous, for fuck's sake, the biggest asshole collective of the internet - to stand up and say 'Hey, this is bullshit, someone needs to do something about it.' People who just sit around accepting the bad business policies of a company have no place to complain when someone decides to man up and challenge them, whatever the means.

Incidentally, this DOES harm Sony. For one thing, it draws attention to Sony's actions and rallies support for the cause. There are plenty of PS3 users who support it, and are willing to accept not having PSN until the matter is dealt with in an acceptable, non-dickish fashion.

By the way.. the whole 'it's because of pirates that this security stuff happened!' is a load of crock, if I have to be honest. I'm sorry, but if piracy ever was capable of causing a console, or a company to lose enough money that it was an actual threat to them, you'd have heard about it. No, rather, you'd have seen it.

'To prevent piracy!' is an excuse used by massive companies in order to box users into a little corner and force them to only purchase their products, for the sole reason for making more money for themselves. Just like EA and Ubisoft's crappy DRM, which ironically drives more people to piracy than it does prevent it, because pirates are actually able to play the games they bought from EA and Ubisoft without their shitty online validation checks making it so that they can't even access the content they bought LEGALLY.

The proof of this fact? CD Projekt. They're planning on releasing The Witcher 2 without any sort of anti-piracy or DRM b.s. as opposed to all the big name, triple-A companies like EA, Activision and Ubisoft, and you know what? The pre-orders are STILL piling in because CD Projekt can be trusted to put out a non-shit product that's hassle-free for its users. Will it be pirated? Probably. Will it harm their sales in the least? Doubt it.

[Shadowii2]

Jeff, on 24 April 2011 - 12:32 PM, said:

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Eh, it's not that I don't know what's going on behind the scenes. I'm only amused by how the hackers aren't doing gamers any favors by taking the online away for holidays. Sure, Sony, booboo for taking OtherOS away etc.

Oh well, I'm getting a PS3 this week, so I hope this thing is done and dealt with until then. I only want to play my BlazBlue for all I care with this matter.

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I thought PSN went offline because Sony was trying to beef up their security.

Also, SHIT!

[JOHNY BOMB!]

^^ Ridiculous man yet hilarious you are Sony. . .I may not support hackers but I especially don't support companies that are being assholes to their customers. If this problem drags on for too long---screw this, I'mma go get blown, not my problem, peace ya'll.

[New Zero]

"Bringers of censorship and corruption need to learn that if they keep biting the Anon hand, the Anon hand will bitch slap them in the face."

Oh snap!

Well apparently this is bigger than I thought. It's a shame this kicked in right when I got Mortal Kombat, but really I'm not missing the online play that much. Probably because I really don't do online play that much anyway, but I would imagine that when this is all over maybe this will make Sony treat its customers a little better, unless they wanna go through this again. Or maybe I'm just naïve.

[TheDoctor]

I hope this is over with soon. I miss watching Netflix.

[Phoebe Nocturne]

This won't change anything. Businesses protect their interests. It's what they do. Doesn't matter if they'd lose money or not, they don't want people pirating or modding their stuff. If people really wanted Other OS support, Sony gave them plenty of warnings that they shouldn't update the firmware. They wouldn't be able to access PSN, sure, but that's the terms of the service. Current systems aren't being touted as having a feature they don't have anymore, either. And for people that already had it, well... agree to the terms and get your free online support, or disagree and go without. Whether you think they're being unfair or not, it's their right.

As for the DRM and all that junk... that's the game developers' business, not Sony's. I'm personally a little out of touch with that because no games I'm even interested in do that. But if you want to make a point about that, don't buy their products. Personally, I'd prefer not buying their products OR pirating them, but whatever. Main point is, don't give them money and they'll start listening. Keep giving them money and they won't. Probably the same logic people are using to support whatever this cause is, but forcing a free online service to be taken down for a few days (even if it was inadvertent) doesn't seem to be the way to gather support. If people are already being such sheep and taking it, they're just going to be pissed off at whoever attacked Sony, not rallying to the cause.

Maybe I'm just not affected by most of this stuff people are complaining about, but I've never had an issue with Sony. And in my experience, it's only self-centered morons who think they're entitled to whatever they want that are complaining. Maybe not all of the people complaining are like that, but all the ones I've known have been.

Sony wants money. Of course. They're a business. It's what they do. But I don't see anyone pointing out any of the various things they don't charge people for that they easily could.

And I know my opinions are hardly going to be popular on the internet, and I expect a whole lot of people to disagree with me. I just don't understand why people can't be happy with what they have. Even if they did have to give up one feature to preserve another because the company didn't want any more exploits going on. I stand by the fact that people accepted Sony's legal terms and have no right to complain when they're followed to the letter.