[『ちびまる子ちゃん』正人]

Hello all, this is my idea of how X could have become Maverick in Mega Man Zero's original plot. This starts in the original ending to Mega Man X5. If Zero did go Maverick. It is known as the worst ending of X5 where in the end, X doesn't remember Zero.

REMEMBER: STRICTLY WHAT IF TERRITORY.

X was lying there destroyed after the Eurasia Incident. Sigma's virus was too far spread out and faint leaving him dead. X6 does not happen therefore Gate cannot resurrect Sigma. Sigma's virus eventually dies out leaving X alive with no memory of Zero. Dr. Light states "Forget all the painful memories." Obviously, one of those memories is his pal Zero, how he went Maverick and so forth. All Zero data is deleted, and any new data is rejected. Nothing stated Dr. Light just erased the memories of Zero. In the past, X has faced betrayal, failure... Mac, Double, Vile, Repliforce, Dr. Doppler and Doppler town... All failures and painful memories. Not only would they not make sense without Zero but they were also painful as just stated.

Dr. Light erases those leaving X with no memories of the pain he's faced before. His wish is to create an Elysium with Reploids and Humans living peacefully together. With Sigma gone, Viral Mavericks are pretty much at an end (at least from a major virus). X DOES create an Elysium with himself at the top as the supreme leader. The big one. The judge, jury, and executioner. Without the painful memories reminding him of how, and why some Mavericks did what they did and without being able to understand the ugly side of life either way, he becomes a ruthless, paranoid tyrant. The Resistance is formed, and in the end, Zero is resurrected by the genius Ciel; one of the others to understand X and Zero just fine. Zero is part of the Resistance, alas, Mega Man Zero's original story begins with X as the Maverick final boss.

Aaaaaand that is my theory.

[sluggish]

It would be end of the world as we know it(Look at the avatar)

[『ちびまる子ちゃん』正人]

... x_x The title is accurate too.

[Telos]

He'd end up like Archer from Fate/Stay Night. I'm too lazy to repeat myself since I'm sure I wrote this somewhere before. On the other hand, I can always cheat and link you to this. Watch that, and perhaps part three that comes after it, and you'll have a good idea of what happens to idealistic people who chase unattainable dreams.

[『ちびまる子ちゃん』正人]

I have a totally good idea of the situation. I just put my theory as to HOW he became Maverick. After that I'd imagine he'd wind up being like him.

[Flame]

Im pretty sure that Light deleting the painful memories is supposed to only be the memories of Zero going maverick. After all, X has been betrayed before, but Zero was his best friend. An to have his best friend suddenly become a cold blooded killer who claims his mission is to kill him, thats pretty painful. Light deleted X's Zero memories and placed a block so that X would not accept any data on him.

[Telos]

Wonder if the block is what would lead to him becoming a tyrant (experiences, even loss of a friend, can have a positive effect), or if the resurfacing of those memories were cause for his fierce need to root out Irregulars at every turn because after seeing his own closest friend turn, 'it could be anyone'.

[sluggish]

Rasengan_Boi, on 04 April 2011 - 08:21 PM, said:

... x_x The title is accurate too.

Oh you said HOW. Feeling stupid right now.Well curse my tendency to overlook things(again)

As for redeeming myself here's my theory.

So X becomes the leader of the his utopia right.Well no matter how advenced, i think X still has a warrior's mind in X series.He has certain definition of good and bad in his mind.So governing the whole Neo Arcadia for a century without retirement must have put a heavy burden in is mind.As we all know governing has alot more gray than its white and black.Simple in his mind X may have decided the cut the gray parts which is the innocent reploids who caused the energy crysis.

Also his memories about Zero were deleted by Dr. Light right?And i suppose that equals most of the time of his maverick hunter career.He isn't the X we all know and love anymore.They were basically brothers in arms.If this much of data was removed, the holes in his memory data was supposed to cause a malfunction in the end thus further hindering the rational thought capability.Imagine the mindscrew when everyone says you had a big brother who looked after you since you were born although you can't remember him a bit.X might have get that too.FOR A LONG TIME

So ı say ıt was the complex nature of being the governer and the absences of most of his memories which drove X crazy

[Flame]

I STILL dont see how X could ever derail into a tyrant. It just cant happen no matter what happens to him.

As Duane and Brando's protoman would say, He's "just not built for that, bro." he is the eternal pacifist. even when his heart gradually feels nothing for his enemies, he still wouldnt become like Copy X... Because unlike his successor, he is wiser than that. Copy X's iron fist came from his philosophy of "humans first". he does ANYTHING, in the name of Humans. Energy crisis? oh shit, what do? Hmmm. I know, ill kill the reploids because they use energy.

He has none of X's experience or wisdom. if he did, he wouldnt have become a tyrant.

The original idea of X as the enemy was really just because it "would have been cool" to have Zero finally fulfill the promise that he made to X in X4's ending. But thing is, I just cant see how X could ever become that way... I cannot possibly ever see him adopting a "sacrifice one to save a thousand" philosophy. Even if his dream of utopia is impossible, X is cursed to forever fight for that dream. he cannot value the life of one as more important than the life of the other.

[Thanatos-Zero]

+1 Rasengan_Boi for this wonderful topic.

At least there is one man to blame for this situation, Doctor Thomas Light.
Since X didn't wish for his bad memory to be deleted, while he was unconcious, we can't really blame him for what happened next in this "What If..?" story.

[sluggish]

Flame, on 05 April 2011 - 05:59 PM, said:

He has none of X's experience or wisdom. if he did, he wouldnt have become a tyrant.

Where does his experience or wisdom come from?Basically from fighting right?If you delete zero and any related data from memory bam!!!Half of the character is automaticly gone.Knowing importance of lives as a logic is a different thing from living through it.If X hasn't been saved by Zero's sacrifice in X1 he might have never truly undersood pain of losing someone he values.Yes you can get sad over someone else's loss.But when you lost someone yourself thats when you truly understand them and the value of life.If he hadn't relentlessly chased down the X hunters who had Zero's parts, he might not have learned importance of every single individual.Many examples can be given about this.

X isn't born as someone perfect in character.It would go completely against to the nature of his limitless potential.You can't add on to the perfect.X on the other hand was meant to evolve.It's right he wanted to fight for justice since the beginning.And he would till the end.But the nature of this fighting could change greatly according to the conditions he was in.He could be what we call "Badass" like the infamous Punisher.He's fighting for justice himself too.It's just the matter of situation as the Inafune himself stated with Sigma and Zero example and X himself isn't free from this logic.

As math and Thomas Light says X is a variable and it can vary infinitely on every aspect.And that's why we love him

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+1 Rasengan_Boi for this wonderful topic.

seconded

[Thanatos-Zero]

Things would have been epic, if Zero had all of his memory restored, while he meets the X, which was no longer the X he knew.
And after the final battle...

X:"Z... Zero... Is that... you!?"

With an sad theme I would have cried. Seriously I would have cried.
If suddenly memories resurfaces, which were considered deleted, things become entirely different.

[『ちびまる子ちゃん』正人]

Yes. X wasn't born as a perfect character. Dr. Light himself had fears of X going Maverick. X being a variable, blah blah blah. X could be 45, or -45. He could go any way and choose whenever he wants. X just needs reason to do Maverick activities and he'd do it; without a proper sense of right or wrong, this is very well possible. Keiji Inafune could very well have planned an entire Zero series with X as the main villain and we'd never know. Inafune never once stated that it'd be cool if X became Maverick, and I'm also pretty sure he'd have more respect for his own series that he wouldn't just do an idea because it sounded cool.

Anywho, Dr. Light's design DID give him a free will as shown with Copy X. Copy X is a perfect copy of X, and look how he turned out. If X was built to not go Maverick, how in balls did Copy X, a perfect copy of Mega Man X, go Maverick himself? Dr. Light may have built him for the better of mankind, but it doesn't mean he can't be used for other things. It's like kitchen knives. Used for cutting foods is it's intended purpose but we can use it for hundreds of other things ranging from opening cardboard boxes, to plain old murder.

[Telos]

I still defer you guys to the link I posted. The same ideology applies to X as it did to Archer: Wanting to save people. Realizing that the world wasn't perfect, but still wanting to try. Realizing that you need to make compromises. Being betrayed by your own ideal and your stubbornness to keep pursuing it.

[Flame]

@ Rasengan: Copy X is only perfect in body, not in mind. He is a perfect replica of X, in body and ability.

But he has none of X's memories, or experience, and for all intents and purposes, is a completely different reploid to X. He has no firsthand knowledge of the Maverick wars or the Elf wars. He was made during a moment of peace. A mere last minute replacement. The body was made for X, but X did not want to return, so in order to not reveal that X had died, they simply gave the body it's own soul, and named him X. He certainly BELIEVES himself to be a perfect copy of X, and even superior, but truth is, he just isnt X. Just a fake like Zero said.

And Copy X never went Maverick. He was not under the influence of any virus or malfunction, and did not harm any Humans. in fact, his actions were all done in their name. For them. his solution to the energy crisis was a final solution. Kill off Reploids indiscriminately since they are many, and use a lot of energy.

He was a bad person, yes, rotten to the core, and a terrible ruler, but not Maverick- Now, ELPIS on the other hand, one can argue went Maverick, overcome by his power lust and corrupted by Dark Elf's power. Especially by the end, where he is babbling about a world free of Humans.

We need Zan up in this thread.
I cant get my argument out into words.

[sluggish]

Bro our main concern isn't copy X here is it?We are just discussing the What if scenario.X doesn't have to be a replica of the Copy X if he had gone maverick.As Flame said he has none of the experience or wisdom of X.Sooo if X had gone maverick we probably had a different villain character in our hands.(look at me talking about staying on the topic although ı screwed up from the start )

[Nostalgia X]

Thanatos-Zero, on 05 April 2011 - 07:05 PM, said:

Things would have been epic, if Zero had all of his memory restored, while he meets the X, which was no longer the X he knew.And after the final battle...X:"Z... Zero... Is that... you!?" With an sad theme I would have cried. Seriously I would have cried.If suddenly memories resurfaces, which were considered deleted, things become entirely different.

I agree 100% with this. THIS is what I want to happen. Also, I think this should be how it would have happened. I completely failed to explain my opinions in my topic...

[Telos]

In my opinion it shouldn't so much be that X forgot who Zero was, but rather X lost sight of what was truly important by being so focused on trying to maintain peace. In the Retrospect track itself, X's own statements were along the lines of "We're not fighting to rule anyone or to harm anyone! We just want a world where everyone's hands can be joined in friendship!".

X isn't so completely delusional as to think that an ultimate peace can be achieved and (I'm using the Archer dialogue as a prime example of the ideology of wanting to save everyone) has the sort of point of view wherein he tries to save people wherever he can, when he can, i.e. "Save those within my sight." Using the Archer dialogue as an example again, the problem with that approach is "My vision expands after I save one. Ten after one. A hundred after ten. How many was it after a hundred?" before long, you're just grasping at grains of sand that are rapidly falling through your hands trying to save every single person you see.

"Yes, the seats are limited. There are always fewer seats called happiness than there are people to fill them. Since you cannot save everyone, someone will have to be sacrificed. And… I quickly killed the ones that would eventually fall out to minimize the damage."

"That's why I killed. I prayed for no one to die, but I killed one to save many. I said I would not have anyone sad, but I brought despair to a few in the dark."

"And in time, I got used to it. To protect my ideal, I kept going against it.
I only saved the people I tried to save and quickly killed the people who opposed me. I allowed 'someone' to be sacrificed to keep protecting my ideal."

This is actually very close to how X already operates, even though he'd be horrified at the realization at his current point in the X series.. He kills Irregulars and stomps on their dreams in order to preserve the peace of the masses; Repliforce is a prime example of this, where they had a legitimate dream, but because that dream partly threatened others, their dream had to be destroyed, bringing despair to a few (such as Iris) in order to grant happiness to the many.

That's why I think Archer's fall and X's fall would be fairly similar in nature. That X would continue to pursue this modus operandi of removing the few Irregulars to preserve the happiness of the many, it simply becoming larger and larger in scale as it goes from sacrificing one to save ten, ten to save a hundred, a hundred to save a thousand and onward, it going out of control almost as X would desperately try to keep everything under control until eventually it just seems to be something that can't be helped.

And thus Zero would be the one to set him straight, by force, followed by X peacefully letting go, cue the "Please, let me rest for a while.." / "That's why we're the best of partners." scene, and Cyber-X's role being very much the same in ZERO2 and ZERO3, just with the exception that Elpizo would simply destroy a seal rather than X's carcass.

Hell, you could even manage to have it make sense with the very first stage of ZERO1 no less, where it's X himself that contacts Zero over a com screen rather than Cyber-X, encouraging him to 'Kill the Irregular' (i.e. Ciel) and giving him back the Z-Saber, only for Zero to defy X because "It doesn't feel right," saving Ciel instead. Similarly, the scene where Cyber-X unlocks the trans-server to Neo Arcadia can be replaced with X again, this time as X issuing a direct challenge to Zero, partly to try and sway him over to his side "We finally have peace now!" and partly to try and put an end to the threat Zero poses.

[Nostalgia X]

I love all of the things you posted Telos, but there's one thing I feel I should mention. Ciel's human. Of course, at this point, every single Reploid looks the same as the humans, so why not?

[Telos]

I'm aware that Ciel is human. I'm not a total idiot. However, it seems fairly safe to assume that an 'Irregular supporter' would be considered a threat. Plus it seems awful weird for X to give Zero his saber back in order to destroy a Neo Arcadian Golem that's going to either kill her itself, or bring her back to Neo Arcadia otherwise.