[Uzuki Kirin]

 General Gilliam, on 13 August 2010 - 04:48 AM, said:

Gospel Trigger? Isn't bass' dog Treble?

Indeed it is. However, 'Treble' is the English adapted name. I prefer his original Japanese name cuz it sounds much better in my opinion.

[Noah Setherias]

I can't imagine Spider being too bad if you kept him til endgame, probably not great either, but I think I'll try it out sometime.
I never really had much of a problem with Spider's AT, personally. Sure, it was chance, but once I hit Gaudile's Lab I found myself getting Royal Flushes at least three times a chapter, if not more. RF does some pretty decent damage, 300% with a high chance of DOA I believe.

His weapons would likely lag behind others, as Joker is probably his best weapon indeed. They have some neat effects though, and I'd enjoy using them later on. Plus, he racks up a good amount of hits in a Final Strike after that second or two of preparation.

[General Gilliam]

Hahaha, I just tried Googling I had about Command Mission, and I the first link was here, to my own thread. How poetic.

Oh, and I just found out something that makes me angry about Cinnamon. Apparently if you use 2 Energy Fields at the same time, only 1 will work. so if you make her left and right sub weapons energy field and use them both, on the next turn you'll still only gain an extra 10, not 20 :(
So, I guess Cinnamon with an Energy Field and a Generator or Turbo Clock would be the better setup.

[Noah Setherias]

Energy Field and Generator ftw. For healing at least

[General Gilliam]

 Noah Setherias, on 13 August 2010 - 04:09 PM, said:

Energy Field and Generator ftw. For healing at least

I'm actually thinkin' about not using the generator, since I use the Supra Force Metal A on her, which gives her a 75% WE boost every turn, so the Generator's not really needed. Know any other good sub-weapons besides turbo clock?

[Vile]

 Bolt Crank, on 13 August 2010 - 12:00 AM, said:

Axl was actually much better than Spider, which is why you get him later, and he effectively replaces Spider. Not only does he have better weapons effects, but his action trigger was much more varied than Spiders.

His weapons are only better because they are stronger, had Spider been around more his weapons would have also been stronger. Plus I love having blanket attacks, so Spider, Massimo, and X made a great team for me.

However I will give you the action trigger one, Axl' is a bit better. But the main thing that made me like spider more was the hits he could do in a Finalstrike. I still have not reached that 200 hit mark for the FMG, and I used Spider, Cross Fire X, then I would try both Axl and Zero. but I would only get close with Spider on the team.

[TheDoctor]

 Vile, on 13 August 2010 - 05:40 PM, said:

His weapons are only better because they are stronger, had Spider been around more his weapons would have also been stronger. Plus I love having blanket attacks, so Spider, Massimo, and X made a great team for me.

However I will give you the action trigger one, Axl' is a bit better. But the main thing that made me like spider more was the hits he could do in a Finalstrike. I still have not reached that 200 hit mark for the FMG, and I used Spider, Cross Fire X, then I would try both Axl and Zero. but I would only get close with Spider on the team.

You need Cinnamon. She's the fastest Final Strike character in the game other than CrossFire X.

[General Gilliam]

 PhantomCobra, on 14 August 2010 - 02:21 AM, said:

You need Cinnamon. She's the fastest Final Strike character in the game other than CrossFire X.

Oh, and I'm almost positive that each of Spiders attacks in FS only hit twice per hit. I know the animation shows him firing like a bigillion shots, but like every time I used it I counted and subtracted everyone elses hits, and there was only 2 extra hits left.

[General Gilliam]

In other news, I just killed the final boss (yes, the second part) in one turn. I used Zero, in Black Zero Hyper, and used his Command Arts with x1 Heat Haze on and got 10 hits of Zero Skull Crusher. It weakened him down enough to finish him off with a Final Strike. I think may have buffed Zero up a bit TOO much lol.

[Noah Setherias]

Maybe just a little bit.

[Juanchosam]

I like to use X, Zero and Axl, sometimes they make all easy, or sometimes not, but its pretty fun to use them, especially because they are the original protagonist

[mmxforever]

I haven't played this game in a LOOOONG time, but I always used X, Zero and Marino. Marino is great because she is really fast and her super form (I forget what the damn things are called, like I said, it's been at least 4 years since I played last) usually allows you to get 3 or 4 hits in before the Maverick even makes a move. Axl was really the only other guy I used a lot, Cinnamon I only used sporadically and Massimo was a complete waste once you got the Ultimate Armor for X and Zero.

[General Gilliam]

Alright now, I've spent quite a deal of time studying the best party, and have finally drawn a conclusion on order of characters (best to worst): ZERO>CINNAMON>X>MASSIMO>AXL>MARINO
Just so you know, all stats and damage are based off of fighting the final boss at level 50 having used no build items on anyone. Oh, and this is gonna be a BIIIG post, so sorry in advanced lol.


CHARACTER OVERVIEW:

ZERO: With Zero I can get up to about 60,000 damage per AT while in Black Zero at about level 50 with his best (Red Lotus Saber). In case you don't know, the Red Lotus Saber hits 3 times, once based off of your Power (like any other weapon would), the second based off Shield, and a 3rd based off Armor. It does reduce your Shield and Armor to zero in exchange for this, so he will have a weak defense, but he deals so much damage he can wipe out pretty much anything before they get a chance to kill him. I mean, his normal attack with it paired with 2 heat hazes deals roughly 20,000. That definitely makes Zero the best in the game.

CINNAMON: Cinnamon's good because she can heal, she has a super high Force Metal capacity, which means you can give her a Supra Force Metal (the healing/WE recovery one is best FYI) at a low level. Also, her Kitty Claws can be bought early in the game, and they hit 5 times, break armor, and do reductions to all stats.

X: X is another good one because of his Ultimate Armor. His AT is considerably weaker than either of Zero's, but it's still pretty strong AND has the ability to switch targets mid-hit, which means it's possible to wipe out all the enemies in 1 turn easily.

MASSIMO: If trained properly, Massimo is a deadly character. His normal attack can be up to about 6000 with a power charge. If in Glint Armor and with maxing out all 4 bars, you can easily do around 23,000 damage as well as inflict some stats ailments. His problems are that he has a low elemental proficiency, which means the elements will rape him. Also he's slow and has a rather low hit accuracy.

AXL: I don't know why Everyone loves Axl, I've got his best weapons and I still think he sucks lol. I mean, even with his best AT he can only do about 10,000 at the most, no matter his level, plus his best 2 guns are lame. His best one is like a much weaker version of X's best, and his second hits 8 times but misses sooooo much unless you're a ridiculous level. With all the misses it becomes weaker than his best.

MARINO: Marino is good mid-game, but near the end she gets useless. Sure, with her hyper you can get in like 5 hits before the enemy takes a turn, but then your screwed until you refill her hyper up, which means going all the way back to the base, or using a rare Gain Hyper. Not to mention she is rather weak and her action trigger i next to useless unless you're stealing.


SETUP: (weapon | right weapon | left weapon | force metals)

Zero: Red Lotus Saber | Heat Haze | Generator | Gain WE 25, Gain WE 25, neutralizer

Cinnamon: Kitty Claws | Energy Field | Generator | Supra Force Metal B, neutralizers

X: Turbo Buster | Power Charge | Power Charge | Supra Force Metal B, neutralizers

Massimo: Interceptor | Power Charge | Generator | Gain WE 25, Gain WE 25

Axl: Ancient Gun | Power Charge | Bait | Supra Force Metal B, neutralizers

Marino: Beam Sword | Power Charge | Power Charge | Supra Force Metal B, neutralizers


EXTRA TIPS:

Black Zero is actually MUCH MUCH BETTER than Absolute Zero, but only if you have the right equipment to back it up, which is; Red Lotus Saber, 1 Heat Haze, 1 Generator, and the command art Zero Skull Crusher (To get ZSC you must successfully enter 999 command into his command arts AT). To effectively use this better than AZ, get zero to 100% WE, then go to Black Zero (the reason we go to BZ now instead of earlier to gain more WE, is so that we don't waste ANY hyper activations by doing this, since he will only get 1 turn your hyper will stay full), then use heat haze (thus giving him an extra, but weaker hit, per hit he lands), now use the generator. Zero will now be at 95% WE with a heat haze on! now use your Action Trigger. Just enter Zero Skull Crusher over and over again. You should be able to enter this around 8 hits of it each time you do this, or if you're good 9 times. If you're really good (like me ;D) you can enter it in 10 times, the maximum you can possibly enter it in. It's impossible to get 11, at least at 95% WE. Now, if you were able to get 10, you should do around 60,000 damage, whilst AZ would have only done around 48,000 assuming you got at least 3 criticals (O to []).



There you have it. This took a while to get all the info for, but this is within a shadow of a doubt THE best party in MMXCM. If you have anything you think I left out, tell me and I'll test it out and add my findings on it.

[Vile]

Axl is just good for support with the stealth mode and bait combo. His Triggers are just nice as he can be and use any element in the game.

One thing I would like to point out, you don't use Hawkeye at all it seems. While you might have great accuracy, My guys do not. My Zero can never seem to hit someone in the air, nor can Massimo. So I tend to keep at least one hawkeye on one of the two.

Also, X's X Buster MKIII is better than the Turbo Buster, its just a pain in the ass to get.

[General Gilliam]

Well, his Bait combo is good, but he only has 2 hyper activations, which makes it near useless as it can be used up in 1 or 2 battles, leaving him defenseless. His AT's are good through mid-game, but near the end they just suck, they do very little damage to the bosses, even if it's their elemental weakness.

What you're describing actually isn't accuracy. There are 2 types of attacks in the game, C (physical) and S (shot). C hits are stronger and are more likely to break guards, but they have a hard time hitting arial enemies. S hits are weaker, but are generally faster and can hit arial enemies no problem. Taking away a Heat Haze or Generator on Zero is kinda a waste, as the boost you will receive from either far outways his hit %. Oh, and just so you know, with zero, his command art Zero Dragon Slash is a C attack but can hit arial enemies with the accuracy of an S attack. And Massimo's AT is an S attack, even though his regular attack is a C.

That one is up for debate, the X Buster MK3 offers a stat boost of 20 to Power, Shield, and Armor, however, it decreases your speed by 20. To the first 3 stats 20 is a decent boost, but when it comes to speed 20 is pretty big which will slow him down a great deal, especially when using AT's. Also, the Turbo Buster has an effect that the higher your WE is, the more damage you can do. So if you have a high WE it can deal more than the MK3.

While we're on that note, Massimo actually has a "better" weapon than the Interceptor, that offers about a 30 boost to power and a 15 to shield/armor. However, it has a chance of hurting yourself while attacking, which makes it a bit risky to use, especially when at a high level. That baclash only effects you on regular attacks FYI. Massimo's Interceptor may be a bit weaker, but it is faster by 4 speed, and it has a special effect where your physical attack (only physical attack, not sub-weapons or AT) has a chance to delay the enemy's next turn, similar to the skill "Delay Attack" or "Delay Buster" in Final Fantasy X.

[MegaDanX]

My fav/best group is Zero/X/Massimo.

I'm just too partial to X. I just can't let him outta my party. Each time I play, I NEVER take him out. Plus, his ultimate armor is super awesome, & powerful!!
Buster - Turbo Buster. I tend to deal more damage with higher WE than if I use X Buster MK 3
Sub Weapons - Generator & Power Charge

Zero - I like his weapons that do more than 1 hit. Especially the Z Rapier+ until I get the
Saber - Red Lotus. Add that with Black armor & 2 heat hazes & you get LARGE DAMAGE BABY!!
His sub-zero armor is so much better than even what I just mentioned!

So, these 2 I always keep in my party for super damage!

Massimo - With large HP & big Damage, you can't go wrong! He may be slow, but his power more than makes up for it!
Weapon - Interceptor (weapon from secret shop) as it cancels enemies attacks sometimes. That's a great bonus in my books!
Sub Weapons - Either Generator & Power Charge or 2 Generators, so I can get my action trigger in each time! Which leads me to...
His best feature, which IS, his action trigger with all 4 bars - 12 SHOT ATTACK BABY!! Add that with his Glint Armor, you get some really nice damage!

With these 3, you can defeat most bosses fairly quickly! Altho, I'm sure there are other groups you can use that are really effective for their own reasons, just as Dynamo8 outlined. I just stick to my preferred. :-P

[Gaijin Zero]

 Vile, on 21 August 2010 - 03:10 PM, said:

Also, X's X Buster MKIII is better than the Turbo Buster, its just a pain in the ass to get.

eh, i beg to differ, the X Buster MKIII would be better for straight up power, however, with the damage gain from having MAX WE with the Turbo Buster, you can do roughly 1,200 MORE damage than you could with the MKIII X Buster, not to mention that the turbo Buster is practically Weightless, which means a faster speed, and Speed, i believe, not only determines your turn order, but also plays into determining shot damage, i believe.

[Sigma Zero X]

I hate to revive another thread, but this is a real good question.

My personal favorites consist of X, Marino, and (insert third character here, mostly, Cinnamon, Massimo, and Zero).

X has the balance in each stat. If I need him as an attacker, X has power. If I need a little speed, X has some speed, especially with Turbo Buster. If I need a little support, X is my man. If I need some defense, X has some options. He also has great FM erosion immunity, so I can pack him with extra LE, resistance against status effects, extra stats, etc. His armors are great too since they both cut damage taken in halff. His only limitations are the subweapons forced upon both the armors.

I like Marino for her speed (especially during Quicksilver), weapons (except the Star weapons and Vengeful Needles), and her decent FM erosion immunity (not as good as X's or Cinnamon's, but better than Axl's, Zero's, or Spider's; Massimo is pretty Negligible due to having only 2 slots.) She also has great ATs like "I"ll Take That!" (100% steal) and "Mirage Dive" (250% damage attack against all enemies.) Her low life and defense tough to deal with though initially though. I use 5 build hypers on her with Generators for her Quicksilver to destroy bosses left and right with ease. (Combined with Cutting Edge, SFM Fragment B, and End to All makes it more satisfying IMO).

Cinnamon is initially weak, but as I level her up and equip her with FM, she will really show off her true powers. Elemental powers, Cinnamon already has in-built elemental defenses against that. High FM erosion, Check. Kitty Gloves. Check. Great Final Strike attacks. Check. She may not have the greatest attack strength, but use her properly, and she will be a beast in the right hands.

Massimo may not have the speed,elemental defenses,, or the FM slots; but his LE, power, defenses, and AT are too great to pass up. Give him a Generator and Power Charge for better results.

Zero has great power, defenses, LE, and some speed. His only weaknesses includes mostly using C-based attacks and having real low FM erosion immunity. His ATs are plain awesome though.

I use Axl from time to time. He has decent shot attacks and a Stealth mode. I don't really find his attacks too memorable like the others and his FM erosion immunity is only fair at best. He can make a decent support unit though.

I like Spider for his card abilities and high LE, but his ATs are too luck-based. Even if Spider leaves, I still have Marino for my EXP and Zenny boosts. Massimo and Marino have weapons that can hit all enemies too.

I'll continue more on the discussion when this thread gets active again (that is if it ever does.)

[Flame]

X with Turbo Buster,
Zero with Red Lotus Saber,
Axl with Ancient Gun.

I dont remember what Metals I gave each though, but im sure my X has one SFM, and Axl might have the other.

I just like keeping the trio. Plus X and Zero's second stage Hypers murder bosses, and Axl's troll mode hyper allows him to be a support when I have to waste a turn reviving a character, by avoiding damage.

[General Gilliam]

The one thing I've learned about this game in my time playing it, is the best route to go when facing enemies, is brute force. Pretty much all challenges in the game can be cleared by just beefing up your party and unleashing hell. Zero is the hands down best for this.

The only problem with that, is that you sometimes need the occasional support, this is where X comes in. He's the all around character, and can cover a wide range of purpose, as well as being a decent attacker.

The main concern here is a renewable way to recover (Sub Tanks are good, but when they run out...). Cinnamon's got your back.


This is a formula I've found can be applied to most RPGs for a kick ass team. 1 Attacker, 1 Healer, and 1 Support.